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panama mushroom ID with good info and pix
    #5653697 - 05/20/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

anyone id these as poss psyocybins? they were picked today near panama city, Panama, from a grassy, hilly field in cow dung. not sure how to post pix so have uploaded to my gallery and also pasted urls below. apologies if this is the wrong way to do it.

many, many thanks.

panamush

ID list:

1. Cap
Size – about 5cm across
Shape: flat to convex, umbonate
Umbonate
Margin – You can see gills darkened edges from above
Texture: quite firm
Touch: very slightly moist

Visual: Smooth – without any hairiness or fuzziness
Color: Centre of cap is orangey-nicotine brown, caramel like with a very small raised nipple in the centre which is slightly of the cap and the edge. Some are darker, towards purple.
Scent: Delicate, typical mushroom scent. Mild taste, typical cubensis taste.
2. Gills or Tubes or Teeth (Spore bearing surface)
No attached to stem.
Spacing of gills is about 0.25 m. Quite crowded.
Colour: black-brown
3. Stalk (Stipe) – note if the stalk is absent.
Size, shape etc centrally located stem
3 inches long
regular shape, round
equal, with thicker base at dung
Touch – dry to moist
Smooth 3.4.2.2.1. Flattened or Appressed
3.4.2.2.2. Erect
Color: off white
Consistency
strong-ish, fibrous.

4. Veils
veil is gone, has left a dark ring on stem.
4.1.3. Ring or Ring Zone: near top third of stem.
5. Spores and Spore Print
darkish spores.
6. Habit
On cow dung, in groups of a few at a time.


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5653708 - 05/20/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

also, i am drying these with a room-sized dehumidifier here - 20 pints of moisture removed from sealed, medium sized room every 12 hours. is this likely to affect quality if they are psilocybins?

thanks, panamaush


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5653723 - 05/20/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey there panamush ; Welcome the the shroomery. :laugh:

You have a mixed collection. Some of them may be active and some of them may be poisonous. Mixed collections are bad.

It would be very helpful if you could separate them into groups by species, number the groups, and repost including as much info as you can about each kind.


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: shroomydan]
    #5653739 - 05/20/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with shroomydan, you will defiantly want to separate those.


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: DaveTX]
    #5653768 - 05/20/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hi, thanks fo the advice. From what I have found out thanks to these pages, the darker ones are likely to be the psylocybin varieties, right?


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5653861 - 05/20/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You have some in the same families as psilocybin containing mushrooms.....you also have at LEAST 3 different species and one of them which can be seen in the pile is potentially deadly......you need to properly spore print each one by removing the stem and laying the cap gills down and seeing what color it leaves of the ultra fine powder (spores) on the paper......this can take awhile.....the longer the better the print.....but very impressive details in the descriptions

What your looking for is first......don't consider anything that does not.....no doubt about it, no question, DISTINCTLY turn BLUE where handled or cut within several horas......they must do this in combinacion with having a [DARK CHOCOLATE PURPLE BROWN to DARK PURPLE BLACKISH or BLACK BLACK colored spore prints
which SOME of those already obviously have those color spores but you need to find out for yourself which ones those are first....

dont think of considering the orange colored gilled shroom but still print it and take couple close up pictures.....just as important to learn bad from the good !

so as you see spore color and bruising reaction are very important

is that BLUEING I see on the stem of the whitish colored cap shroom or just the camera ?

how did you hear about this website ?

you live in a part of the world with many many different species of majik shrooms


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Mycologia vol.69 1977


Edited by shroominDole (05/20/06 04:41 PM)


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: shroominDole]
    #5653900 - 05/20/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok, here's some pix with the mushrooms separated by colour.

http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g89/mushrooms_2006/

you'll see that there are two or three types: the darker ones, (blueish) some lighter ones (the ones decribed in the original post) , and a few a lighter shade than that, towards a paler orange.

the darkest ones are slightly heavier, with similar shape, size and stem etc, but slightly heavier. gills are dark black, with black to purple spore prints.

there is a greenish set of gills on one, which i think i will discard. (just seen shroominDole's excellent reply, I thought it looked dodgy)

which are most likely to be active oor poisonous.

Apologies for vague data. let me know if i can help you help me any better.

Camera battery now dead, am charging it now. heard about site from surfing around...thanks agaiin all
panamush


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5653921 - 05/20/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

also, what are the names of the potentially active ones, if anyone can indeed ID them? that way I could comprae to online examples. cheers, panamush


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5653934 - 05/20/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are still presenting a jumbled mess. Please, make it a little easier for us. Pretend you are a scientist communicating with other scientists.


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5653944 - 05/20/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sorry, man, new to this. camera charging as we type.


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5654081 - 05/20/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Pan.....did you spore print those as I described or are you just describing the color appearance of the gills.....and you mentioned nothing about bruising reactions as suggested...

maybe reread (study) my previous reply and study your shrooms closer and see what you come up with.....

and you can take pictures if your battery is dead or gone by just having it plugged into the wall or to the charger


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' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them '
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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: shroominDole]
    #5659718 - 05/22/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OK, camera now charged. sadly, the mushrooms have dried and may be harder to identify. Can anyone point m,e in the driection of an online resource for identifying coprophilic active mushrooms in Central america? Pix of dried specimens later tonight.
panamaush


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5659722 - 05/22/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

PS: the spore prints werer mainly black-purple, and some of the stems blued before drying to a dark, hard black.


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Re: panama mushroom ID with good info and pix [Re: panamush]
    #5660668 - 05/22/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Research Psilocybe cubensis and Copelandia cyanescens. You MIGHT have had some Ps. cubensis in that collection. Still, don't eat any of them.


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