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Offlinebighongkong
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When to harvest...different opinions...
    #563903 - 02/26/02 04:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys, I have a few questions that I haven't really gotten good answers to...I was hoping you guys could help me out.
1) When should you harvest...many people say right when the veil is tearing away from the cap. Well, my shrooms are of a Tazmanian strain and the veil is tearing away from the cap at about 3 inches. My dilemma is that all the pictures I've seen online show batches of mushrooms that are really tall and have long since past the point where the veil tears away. So should I just let them keep growing or harvest?

2) If I let them keep growing they release the spores and a black powder spreads out from them and covers the tops of smaller ones below them. Is this a bad thing? Should I just let them grow through this process?

Any info would be greatly appreciated and on another note, I'm considering trying a new strain out...any good recomendations for a newb like myself? Thanks and have a great day.

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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: bighongkong]
    #563943 - 02/26/02 05:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Most of the pictures you see are from vendors that are collecting spores to sell, therefore they let the fruit mature longer than somebody that is growing for the trip.

If you are growing for yourself, then harvest as the veil is tearing. As you observed, your fruit will be smaller, but it will also be more potent. If you are growing for others you want more weight, therefore let the fruit mature.

There is nothing harmful that I know of from the spores being released on smaller fruits. If you are dropping spores, the potency of the fruit can (will?) be quite a bit less.


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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: Seuss]
    #563967 - 02/26/02 06:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

' As you observed, your fruit will be smaller, but it will also be more potent. '
How do you figure that??
Ive read about people suggesting that psilocybe mushrooms stop producing alkaloids after their veil breaks - and obviously the mushroom begins to die after sporelating, but to suggest that they are less potent is not true. There are spore-races of cubensis that lose their veil very early, showing light coloured gills and these still go on to mature (sporelate) at a significantly bigger size. And ofcourse there are strains like TCs and B+ that keep their veils until right before they sporelate - so that their gills are darkening right as their veil breaks - but, by your suggestion, these strains would be more potent per weight. And this isnt necessarily true.
After the veil breaks on a cubensis, there is no bluing effect and the mushroom is still growing towards sporelation, so it certainly doesnt lose potency.
Ive tried 3 grams of abhorts and young mushrooms with veils intact and 3 grams of shrooms that i had grown for printsing and noticed no difference in potency per weight. (Though this was only once)
But, at the end of the day, some of the most beautiful and individual fruiting characteristics of the different cubensis spore-races really only show up at maturity - the creamy white/yellow of the Tasmanian, the red spotting of the PES amazonian, the beautiful bronze/gold of the B+, the shiny gold of the Treasure coast - they all look pretty similar when they were young, but at maturity they are noticably different.


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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: Seuss]
    #563975 - 02/26/02 06:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There is nothing harmful that I know of from the spores being released on smaller fruits. If you are dropping spores, the potency of the fruit can (will?) be quite a bit less.


Weight Magic Content
Before: 10g 1 mg/g
After 12g 1 mg/g

All wieghts are purly made up, so as you can see potency will remain the same, concentration is lowered. Then again i guess you could say less potent and mean the same thing.

But dropping spores will not lower content either because no magic content is stored in the spores, the only other way for its content to go down now would natrually be the next stepin the life cycle, death, but even then the psilosibin is just oxidizing like normal Unless.......... they can consume their own byproducts....


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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: windex]
    #563986 - 02/26/02 06:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If you can prove that a mushroom that is pre-sporelation is less potent by weight than it was when its veil broke then ill believe it.
btw - psilocin oxidises much more than psilocybin.


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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #566707 - 03/01/02 11:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

well the thing is, i dont think the psilosibin content goes down, its remains the same, but it still gains weight, its like when you get older, you hit a point where your insides stop growing, yet you still get bigger on the outside.... but on top of all that, i dont think the difference is noticable to anything but test equipment.


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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: windex]
    #566714 - 03/01/02 11:39 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The weight difference between a closed cap shroom and one that has fully opened is miniscule.

Look at your closed fist, now open it. It's bigger but still the same weight right? Thats my theory and I'm stickin to it!


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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: ]
    #566722 - 03/01/02 11:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

exactly my point just not writin as good captin :wink: 

>> i dont think the difference is noticable to anything but test equipment.


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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: bighongkong]
    #566830 - 03/01/02 01:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I pick em when they look real purty.


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Re: When to harvest...different opinions... [Re: homebrew]
    #567789 - 03/02/02 03:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ive seen veils break on mushrooms and the mushroom continue to grow twice its original size. Dont say theres a miniscule difference. True, if we're talking about TC that opens at its final stage of maturity, its not going to gain much more mass. Take a look at PR however, they open extremely early and will gain more than 2X biomass if allowed to grow to maturity. In my own experiments ive noticed that if 4 grams of 20 small mushrooms are consumed, the trip is more intense (slightly) than if 4 grams of 2 mature mushrooms of the same strain are consumed.


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