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Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice?
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This is for Mexicana Type A.

I know the fellas over at Sporeworks say Rye Grass Seed. But look what I found while reading around:

"RESULTS

It was found Psilocybe mexicana soon formed yellowish to brownish sclerotia on rye grass seed/water. STAMETS & CHILTON (1983) reported similar growth


Fig. 1 - Sclerotia from Psilocybe mexicana Heim on rice grain 40 days after inoculation.

patterns of sclerotia after 3 weeks on the same substrate. Observations on the formation of sclerotia in the highly similar species Psilocybe tampanensis after a cultivation of 4-8 weeks were reported by STAMETS & CHILTON (1983) and by GARTZ et al. (1994). In contrast, Psilocybe natalensis and Psilocybe azurescens under any cultivation only formed whitish mycelium throughout various substrates but no sclerotia.
The dry weights of the slightly blueing sclerotia of Psilocybe mexicana varied significantly during cultivation on rye grass seed/water. It seems that the tendency to lose its moisture is the reason for such a variation.
In addition, the cultivation on soft rice grain/water also soon formed sclerotia after only 2 weeks (Fig. 1). It was found that total darkness is not necessary for the formation of sclerotia on this substrate. Incubation of Psilocybe mexicana in diffuse daylight but without direct sunlight also promote this vegetative form.
Sclerotia formation on rice grain (100 g)/water after 2 months is 15-20 grams dry weight. The alkaloidal levels obtained from these sclerotia were relatively high but varied even in the same batch (Table 1). Larger sclerotia contained more psilocin than smaller agglomerations. It seems that during the growing process of the sclerotia a significant enzymatic decomposition of psilocybin to psilocin (BOCKS, 1968) occurred (Table 1). In own investigations the same reaction was found in old fruit bodies of Psilocybe cubensis (EARLE) SING. (GARTZ, 1989). Only a few sclerotia were obtained on rye grain/water mixture after prolonged incubation (up to 12 weeks). It seems that the substrate based on soft rice grain was the best to promote a regular formation of sclerotia in Psilocybe mexicana."

So.....could it be rice is better? Sporeworks....have you tried rice in addition to rye grass seed?

Another question....what's the germination time?

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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: AnArKey]
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I read that article also. Worth the try for sure!!!

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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: AnArKey]
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I find that brown rice doesn't dry out (holds moisture better) than rye seeds, and there was more sclerotia production. I used 1:1 rice to water, and the mycelia starts to grow faster on the rice.

Just my thoughts to an old thread.

suzie


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: suzie_girl]
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I've had stones up to 150 grams from rye berries, hydrated with weak coffee.


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: AnArKey]
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i have no experience with mexicana but with psilocybe atlantis i have had better results using whole brown rice rather than rye seed. bigger sclerotia and they formed quite quickly.


--waixingren


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: waixingren]
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What water content did you use with the rice?

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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: blackout]
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I use 1:1 water:brown rice in pint jars. Waited about 4 months. I did see a recipe that called for a little more water than rice. I may try that with a baking bag for a larger production. The mexicana a definitely spreads faster on the rice, but then again, it's hard to shake it loose after it's cooked and the mycelia has a hard time getting to the center. That's why I'm gonna try the new Atlantis, as the description seems to say it does better in a tight substrate.

suzie


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: blackout]
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9er tek basicly. http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/7923/pag/3

cook like you're gonna eat it then pc. im starting to think whole brown rice is where its at for sclerotia, must be because of the great water capacity.

--waixingren


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: waixingren]
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got some tonight, going to try with jalisco


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: lardnar]
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i would be more interested in potency then weight ... i know brown rice was better when i started off then white rice ... and rye was better then brown rice so whats the deal with atlantis or mexicana whats the most potent? They taste horrible so the more potent the less i have to eat haha

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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: TheLegend]
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My white rice grows were very poor. I picked up 5kg of RGS for ?25 in woodies yesterday. They have economy lawn seed now.

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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: AnArKey] * 1
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I've got some atlantis jars at 14 days with dime sized sclerotia forming in all of them. I used finch seed.

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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: Ziplok]
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Ziplok said:
I've got some atlantis jars at 14 days with dime sized sclerotia forming in all of them. I used finch seed.



First the thread is over 2 years old lol
second do you have
Atlantis or galindoi (alt#7)


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: Juke Adro]
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So a gess the rgs is the  way to go any teks ?
Love a old one


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: karlgray]
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I found normal rye grain NOT seed to perform better.
Wild Bird seed is also good.
grass seed compacts too much.


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: Juke Adro]
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Juke Adro said:
I found normal rye grain NOT seed to perform better.
Wild Bird seed is also good.
grass seed compacts too much.


Cool al try wbs since I have like 30 k off it lol


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: karlgray]
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that's your bet then :wink: make sure you soak too cause wbs can be dirty and you want all those nasties to germ before you kill them in the pc.


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: Juke Adro]
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Yes I no  I rince like 6 are 7  times then soak
Iv fuked my last 20 jars now by useing seed with fruit in lesson wel learned
Its like 40/60 so no use picking it out got a 20 k sac just feed the the birds for a few year


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: karlgray]
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i usually just rince in a pasta strainer and once, don't waste your time any other way.


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Re: Sclerotia: Rye Grass Seed or Rice? [Re: Juke Adro]
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I dump all mine in a massive bucket but when im rinceing it
Im get all the black seeds out


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