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seven deadly sins = ego...
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All my life I've been rejecting the idea of Satan (you know.. the big baddie in red, living in the pits of hell)... Well for the past few days I've been back to thinking about "Satan" again, and came to a conclusion that "he" is nothing more then our own ego  :confused:
Just looking at the seven deadly sins... they're all aspects of ego IMHO.
That little voice that wants, but does not need. And so often masks these wishes as needs, gives us fake security, tells us: "C'mon do it, you know you want to"
So we do this, and we do that... it's all alright most of the time, until one of those days comes and it just feels wrong. And there is this huge feeling of impurity, yet we don't do anything about it. Some maybe go to church to confess, just to walk back home to their old way of doing things. The church gives them just the right amount of Placebo to feel all right.
(I got nothing against Christianity, and I am Christian in a way... though I don't agree with, nor support most of the things that go on in there)

Hmmm, I have a friend (who is much more than just a friend), who is 46 and has been listening to his ego for the past 20 years (lust, greed, gluttony, what-not). (have in mind I do not judge him), and this friend at times... confesses he can't go on like this any more. He needs healing, he needs help but is too afraid of change. Plus these moments of sincerity are quite rare, it's usually back to the old "I don't see anything wrong in doing this and that"
I'm 21, still growing. I don't want to push my "beliefs" on him, but I do want to help him, as he asked for help (not just once).
How do you help someone who's been fast asleep for so long?


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"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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Re: seven deadly sins = ego... [Re: Triplexiosis]
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I agree completely.

I realised that God and Satan are basic representatives of 2 of the first things we learn as humans - Good and bad.

We need G&B for survival - i.e Milk is good and hurting body is bad etc

Religion just explains the good and bad by making up a character for them - dubbing one as ultimate good and the other as ultimate evil.

However, when we look at nature (animals killing, stealing and raping for fun) you can soon realise that God didn't make everything for the good.

Or did satan take control of these poor animals :smirk:

I just think its more logical to explain it in terms of psychology.

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Re: seven deadly sins = ego... [Re: Ego Death]
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The devil is the evil within each of us all. We try to repress it, instead of resolve it, and transmute it into somthing of love.

When you feel self-doubt; thats the devil. When you feel fear, guilt, anger or hate--this is also the devil.

We tend to exteriorize the struggle of good vs. evil. Why even let the two struggle? Work each day to use that same energy for love, peace, and a better reality. It's no easy task, and you probably will never be able to convert all the negative and "evil" energy you expend into somthing glorious. There always must remain a memory of evil/darkness for the light to keep shining...

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Re: seven deadly sins = ego... [Re: Triplexiosis]
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'The Seven Deadly Sins,' by Hieronymus Bosch

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Re: seven deadly sins = ego... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Coming into a realisation of our spiritual selves and the metaphysical elements of our thought and behavior is not an easy task to define, ecspecially in the most charitable challenge of bringing a "blind" person into the knowledge of it. For it calls apon our need to Love and be self sacrificing in that commitment. It also requires for the reciever to finnaly admit his denial of change, understanding that he has founded his life on lost ambitions and false hopes. Its a process of redefining  his beliefs, taking time to meditate on these very crucial theologies, such as sin, and religion, the internal external self and our relationship with the forces involved, God the spirit, Jesus the saviour and Satan the Deciever. True that this "could" verily be just representations, yet I will not discount them on a matter of unknowing speculation or generalizing their importance by saying they are merely methods of explaining the balance of Good and Evil. No, they desearve much attention, if not more, then lifes other predominant lessons because they focus on the restoration of peace and harmony and our ultimate freedom, should we find it important for the restoration of our souls, which is possible today.

Definately share your thoughts on his disposition, and also your beliefs, whether you consider it pushing. He is calling out in his helplessness, and needs help indeed. Just insure that his intention isnt to bring quick relief, but to help him come into an acceptance of a lifestyle change, and a williness to begin seeking for his spiritual redemption in Jesus Christ.

I can agree with your belief in the Ego and its characteristics related to our impurities and inner defeats. Its a very deep subject to consider, but remember, the sins themselves are seperate in their own diversity and although related in consequence and disention, EGO, must be specific in its own meaning. It is the force of selfishness and self glorification instead of the more sacred self sacrifice and charity. It is also a factor contributing to PRIDE, which is known to be the poison of nations. Respect and understanding will always play the most influential character in the battle to remain in control of our thoughts and actions on to others.

:grin:


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Re: seven deadly sins = ego... [Re: WIZOLZ]
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Hmmm I kinda forgot about this here topic...  :undecided:

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WIZOLZ said:Definitely share your thoughts on his disposition, and also your beliefs, whether you consider it pushing. He is calling out in his helplessness, and needs help indeed. Just insure that his intention isn't to bring quick relief, but to help him come into an acceptance of a lifestyle change, and a williness to begin seeking for his spiritual redemption in Jesus Christ.


Though I don't view it as "redemption in Jesus Christ", rather as redemption in yourself and the world around one's self. So I'd rather say, redemption in love. :laugh:
Yes this friend is most of the time refusing to accept any change as he is some-what convinced he cannot change at his age. Though it seems he wants quick relief, it's still keeps bothering him, even after the sufficient dose of Placebo. And even though he keeps it to himself, it's kind of quite obvious the problem is still there ever present, and is bothering him. He also isn't one to quickly open up to anyone... so far he never has, except to a stranger in the night... and well is starting to open himself to me bit by bit.

I do love him, and am willing to sacrifice every bit of myself to "wake him". His entrance into my life, in a way, helped me grow and surpass most aspects of my own ego. Yes it's still here (the ego), and I can feel it at times though rarely (selfishness, self glorification, etc.), but most of the time I just feel warm and pure... some strange clean feeling.  :confused:

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MystikMushroom said:The devil is the evil within each of us all. We try to repress it, instead of resolve it, and transmute it into something of love.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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peace, understanding and love  :peace:


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"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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Re: seven deadly sins = ego... [Re: Triplexiosis]
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Triplexiosis said:
How do you help someone who's been fast asleep for so long?


Well.. does he do drugs/psychs? This is not the answer.... but the initiation into foreign and confusing waters is helpful to loosen the egos long hard habits. Sparking him up a J might show him things, as long as he doesn't start being a habitual smoker.

Further from that...... any... ANY any any interest in spirituality and healing is ALL you need. Psychedelics just excellerate (wtf neat typo... i do this a lot) the "i need to change and i need to change" now attitude for me.

Yoga is good. Tai chi is better (at least my opinion as far as yielding results quicker).... both in conjunction are good. They are ego-less activities designed in teaching patience yet more solid than sitting meditation as they yield physical results (and later chi/prana etc results).

Religion works for some.

He has to look within, and all you can do is help him do that. If you have something that works for you you can share it with him... be careful with psychedelics.... I think they are great tools and can be dramatically helpful to solidifed ego but... you don't want to create trauma or worse, dependency.... which is why if he's never smoked a J might help.

or if he is a regular toker, he should probably stay abstinent for a while then show him how to use weed to TRIP on it really hard and gain introspection.

I don't know. It's the desire to heal that is most important. The rest is patience and observation.

Also love is the universal language of spirituality and will yield to mystical states if allowed to flourish on its own. Encourage him to love that which he currently hates and despises and get him to pay attention and value that which he already loves.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (03/27/06 05:28 PM)

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Re: seven deadly sins = ego... [Re: Triplexiosis]
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Quote:
Though I don't view it as "redemption in Jesus Christ", rather as redemption in yourself and the world around one's self. So I'd rather say, redemption in love.


The statement I made desearve's its measure of belief, who amoung us has seen the pathway into heaven or the workings of our eternal self, if such things exsist to you? Jesus Christ was more then a conincidence of history or a symbolic potrayal of love and forgivness writen to subdue Mans unrestrained lust of the world. If you believe in life after death, then believe that the spirit of christ still exsists also...

In response to your description about your friend and his problem, I can't fully understand the scope of his distress, though he seems to be in a state of denial about it, or even self pity (convinced he cannot change)...Usually people who feel helpless or insecure in their turmoil don't wish to share it (I dont blame them), Its not easy thing, for somtimes they cant even understand it themselves and it infringes upon their comfort zone. Becoming aware of the problem is the first step to overcoming it, most can't even recognize it, thats why they need somone to point it out to them, usually the "true friend," although Ive seen people go this far and even end relationships over problems which really required more involvment and consistancy. Its keeping that balance between whats really the problem as you see it and helping them understand it for themselves, its effects, its reasons and its consequences.

You really cant do anything more then allow him his time to figure it out, if he's choosing not to share, although people who tend to do this can never be as succesfull as when you have somone else to elaborate and discuss alternative solutions with. Why do you think succesfull people go to shrinks? or why people get married? Its because of the confusion up there fucking up their daily lives, although, spiritual release is always much more effective to me and thank God...its free...!!

You sound like a geniune caring person. Believe me, your the exception, if thats how you feel...Never undermine the importance of a trusting soul in times of crisis. Dont be surprised if you find yourself being the "wise, compassionate tutor" with many other people in the future, ecspecially when dealing with their personal and spiritual delima's. :heart:

Good Luck eh ! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :grin:


An easy way to resolve guilt or self egotism, give a well planned compliment or give somthing of value away to somone who needs it.


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Requim for a Dream - Paul Oakenfold
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"The mis/abuse of any form of power, is the worst form of ignorance"
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WIZOLZ - Lover with a Killer's Smile

Edited by WIZOLZ (03/27/06 10:24 PM)

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Re: seven deadly sins = ego... [Re: WIZOLZ]
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@leery11
Nah, drugs are not an option (he smoked a bit in the past, my best guess is for fun only, haven't talked much about it) but his view on drugs is somewhat "war on drugs propaganda", and as for me... well I stopped mj and shrooms since I felt I got everything I needed from them.

@WIZOLZ
I do 'believe' in life after death, just not yet sure what to think about it all (spirit of Christ, etc). Still growing...

Yes my friend (well, he's more than just a friend actually) is in denail, he is also the type of person who wants to help everyone but can't (or wont) help himself, thus IMHO helping no one. And yes he is somewhat religious, we haven't spoke much about it yet

Anyway thank you all for your inputs, it means a lot, and helps a lot  :heart:


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"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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