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Maintaining awareness into sleep?
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows how to fall asleep while still remaining in a state of full awareness? As in no sense of transition to a dreamless, fully aware sleep.  I have heard of this in lots of buddhist practices, though my trainig hasnt gotten me to that point yet.  However, I am just curious if anyone knows how to do so?  Points of focus?  Mantras?  I am finding myself totally fascinated with the sleep state, and have recently begun dream practice.  I have read the book "Tibetan Yoga's of Dream and Sleep" but it all seems too mystical and overly complexified and a lot of it is based on the Tibetan Tantric teachings.  I'll take anything you got.  Thanks.

:heart:Peace:heart:

:hippie:

Edited by Quoiyaien (03/04/06 12:33 AM)

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Re: Maintaing awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Melatonin.

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Re: Maintaing awareness into sleep? [Re: it stars saddam]
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Lucid Dreamers do this all the time. One of the most common methods of doing exactly that is called WILD or (wake initiated lucid dream). You wake up in the middle of the night and go back to sleep right away, while concentrating on not losing focus and you can enter into a dream scape and control your dreams to your will.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12621

^here is a good topic on it, that website in general is a great place if you want to learn more on lucid dreaming


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Re: Maintaing awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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i'll try tonight and get back to you.

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Re: Maintaing awareness into sleep? [Re: Deviate]
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Well first of all, doing it in the morning is PIE compared to doing it at bedtime....

since you have delta sleep (which is near DEATH brain-wise) in your way.

say you have a path
_________________________*cliff*______________

that cliff is delta sleep............ the path resumes in dreaming, but YOU don't.... which makes conscious dream entry from the git-go rather tricky.

I don't have a ton of advice, just try....... try every night....
http://swamij.com/yoga-nidra.htm

Incorporating chakras is a useful way......... and according to various sleep traditions
third eye - alpha waves - hypnagogic tripping like state on border of sleep
throat - dream state - or theta
heart - deep sleep - or delta

sooooooooooooo...... if you read through that link.... they advise that once you are sufficiently almost asleep, you initiate focus into the third eye....... once that is accmoplished you shift focus to the throat, into a dream state, and then empty into the heart, into conscious deep sleep.

this is tricky. I haven't done it.... not conscious deep sleep, but I have had a few really really out there dreams that feel more like near death experiences, really trippy DEEP stuff. ominous too.

the best thing I can advocate is to try to go conscious every single night, it will teach you how to go to sleep faster when you want to.......... and once you get familiar enough you will have better success rate.

If you are truely willing....... drift off to bed and when you are really really really drowsy, lethargic, almost bed locked...... GET UP and stay in a state of delirium until you maintain focus and try once more to go into a conscious sleep.

It takes extreme willpower though. I havne't really tried it more than once or twice...... it sucks, you feel stoned times 10 million sort of.

But.... for me when I go to bed, this is what happens.
Thinking........ thinking........ zoning out..... wake up.
thinking...thinking....zoning out.....wake up
thinking......zoning.....wake up
thi--zone.....-wake-zone-wake FULLY.........
thinking longer period of time....... thinking..........
thinking...............thinking........ why am i so alert now?
thinking........... thinking....
zoning again.................
ah fuck it i give up.
*somehow manages to "give up" and fall asleep normally*

i.e. I go consciously into the hypnagogic state every night without fail but while there I lose consciousness and am COMPLETELY PASSIVE loosely observing with maybe 10% consciousness..... I can't JUMP IN to conscious sleep, I wake back up.

But I'll get there... I'm more and more aware in sleep all the time, finding myself asleep while inhaling/holding breath and awake while exhaling and dancing in and out of a somber light sleep in the mornings, things like that.

this post doesn't make much sense, sorry.


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Edited by leery11 (03/04/06 12:27 AM)

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Re: Maintaing awareness into sleep? [Re: leery11]
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Cool, thanks for all the replies.  That will give me some stuff to play with in regards to dreaming.  To be honest, I really have no trouble with lucid dreaming.  I do it all the time, and have been practicing it for a while.  What I am looking for is more like sleep meditation.  You know how thoughts stop, yet awareness of the body remains during normal meditation?  Well, that is what I am looking for in a sleep state.  I want to be able to sleep a fully aware and dreamless sleep.  I know it is possible, but I dont know how to do it.  I am sure it takes practice like calming the mind during meditation, I just want a good place to start.  Again, thanks for all the replies, I always appreciate it. 

:heart:Peace:heart:

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Re: Maintaing awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Well, never calling up a dreamscape and constantly being aware sounds plausable- but I dont think its possible to do it the entire nightcycle, eventually your mind would wonder and it just takes very little to throw you into unconcious sleep- nrem or not


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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Quoiyaien said:
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows how to fall asleep while still remaining in a state of full awareness? As in no sense of transition to a dreamless, fully aware sleep.  I have heard of this in lots of buddhist practices, though my trainig hasnt gotten me to that point yet.  However, I am just curious if anyone knows how to do so?  Points of focus?  Mantras?  I am finding myself totally fascinated with the sleep state, and have recently begun dream practice.  I have read the book "Tibetan Yoga's of Dream and Sleep" but it all seems too mystical and overly complexified and a lot of it is based on the Tibetan Tantric teachings.  I'll take anything you got.  Thanks.

:heart:Peace:heart:

:hippie:



dude you have heard of that before????????
where? i wanna read about it!

I learned how to do it randomly on my own over a year ago after dmt...

it's amazing for me... i lay on my back without a pillow and just let my body relax, and keep my awareness completely focused on everything that is happening...slowly my body falls asleep and i remain fully conscious of everything thats happening and its very very very trippy because your body goes away and you are just floating through yourself....and then after a while visions appear cause I've reached the dream state but I am fully conscious. Its cool cause normally when you fall asleep, you sort of miss the transition...like your awake and then your dreaming...but this way you are fully conscious during the whole transition (and its cool as hell). At this point I can have any lucid dream i choose completely easily and vividly....but really the dreams are a distraction...and they will pull me out of my awareness and i will get lost in the dream and fall asleep...but if i can make myself not get distracted by the dream visions...i can stay fully conscious still, and go past the dream level to a state of consciousness completely undescribable but amazing...i havent been able to get past this place yet cause its intense and overwhelming for me but im sure it goes much deeper .......

anyways sorry for the ramble..but i dont know anybody who has ever done it or even heard of it, and i just figured it out on my own and nobody understands when i try to explain it....


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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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I was wondering if anyone knows how to fall asleep while still remaining in a state of full awareness?

The best way to learn to do this reliably on demand is to train yourself using 50% nitrous-oxide / 50% oxygen gas. The nitrous-oxide will induce a state similar to the onset of sleep and the oxygen will prevent you from becoming unconscious (which is different than sleep) from the lack of oxygen in commercially available nitrous-oxide cannisters.

The technique is to fill a large balloon with the gas mix, exhale fully, then inhale a full breath from the balloon and continue to breathe into and out of the balloon while concentrating on not losing awareness as the gas takes effect.

With 50% oxygen in the mixture, you will have enough to breath the gas in and out of the balloon for many minutes. The limiting factor is hypercapnia (rising carbon-dioxide) rather than dropping oxygen, but the hypercapnia contributes to the euphoria, so it's icing on the cake.

When you get the hang of this, you will be able to guide yourself into falling asleep lucidly with a fairly high success rate.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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The best book ive ever read on dream practice is by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche. Its called "Dream Yoga and the Practice of the Natural Light". No mysticism, just instruction of developing clarity within the dream and sleep states. this book goes beyond the practices of lucid dreaming that have been popularised in the West, by presenting methods for guiding dream states that are part of a broader system for enhancing awareness called Dzogchen. In this tradition, the development of lucidity in the dream state is understood in the context of generating greater awareness for the ultimate purpose of attaining liberation.

Dzogchen is similar in some ways to Zen, in that it is a more direct, less mystical approach toward liberation. Its like the heart essence of Buddhist teaching that trancends traditions, time and culture. Check it out!

http://www.snowlionpub.com/search.php?isbn=DRYO


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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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when you close your eyes,.. and lay down..
when you got that "feeling" you know where stuff in the room is..
you know where the light-switch is..  etc..

forget that "feeling" and substitute, your own! ..

if you want to wake up on a beach, and go swimming, and/or flying through the air,.. Imagine the sun.. FOR real. See it.. know IT is there..

and so on..

:crazy2: :thumbup:

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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Gomp]
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I've been doing ecstasy and valium in my dreams for a week straight now.

So much fun, so little hangover.


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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Sinbad]
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Here is the full book.


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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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WOW!  Thanks man!

:heart:Peace:heart:

:hippie:

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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Thats not the new revised version, but its good enough, although there are a few errors in it. For clarity i suggest buying the more recent, updated version if you are really interested.


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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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My very first girlfriend in college and I once took amphetamines to study, went to sleep and upon awakening we found that we both had an identical experience. She asked me "Did we sleep?," because throughout the night, I, for one, experienced myself as a silent, thoughtless Witness - a 'presence,' above my body, that simply listened to me snore. When I awakened, the Witness integrated with 'me' and the dissociative state ended.

I have never had that experience again, but instead of intending an ego-awareness that extends throughout the deep sleep state (this cannot be healthy in the long run and would probably result in the madness that accompanies sleep deprivation) I have learned to abandon myself to the care of my 'dream ego.' Since the real me is neither waking nor dream ego but a field of consciousness that underlies both of them, I can cease playing 'the eye of God game' and allow myself to naturally assume the continuum of awareness that I 'seem-to-be' throughout waking, dreaming and deep sleep. When I am just being my real Self I can't be watching my Real Self.


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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
My very first girlfriend in college and I once took amphetamines to study, went to sleep and upon awakening we found that we both had an identical experience. She asked me "Did we sleep?," because throughout the night, I, for one, experienced myself as a silent, thoughtless Witness - a 'presence,' above my body, that simply listened to me snore. When I awakened, the Witness integrated with 'me' and the dissociative state ended.

I have never had that experience again, but instead of intending an ego-awareness that extends throughout the deep sleep state (this cannot be healthy in the long run and would probably result in the madness that accompanies sleep deprivation) I have learned to abandon myself to the care of my 'dream ego.' Since the real me is neither waking nor dream ego but a field of consciousness that underlies both of them, I can cease playing 'the eye of God game' and allow myself to naturally assume the continuum of awareness that I 'seem-to-be' throughout waking, dreaming and deep sleep. When I am just being my real Self I can't be watching my Real Self.


That is exactly the thing I was looking for.  Thanks man :cool:

:heart:Peace:heart:

:hippie:

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Re: Maintaining awareness into sleep? [Re: Quoiyaien]
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"..re?turn as you create!"
-Unknown :P

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