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Alex213
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Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris?
#5287672 - 02/10/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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With the environment heading straight down the toilet and our kids doomed to inhabiting hell on earth, should we all just drive SUV's and Ferrari's while we can?
Global warming: passing the 'tipping point' Our special investigation reveals that critical rise in world temperatures is now unavoidable By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor Published: 11 February 2006
A crucial global warming "tipping point" for the Earth, highlighted only last week by the British Government, has already been passed, with devastating consequences.
Research commissioned by The Independent reveals that the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has now crossed a threshold, set down by scientists from around the world at a conference in Britain last year, beyond which really dangerous climate change is likely to be unstoppable.
The implication is that some of global warming's worst predicted effects, from destruction of ecosystems to increased hunger and water shortages for billions of people, cannot now be avoided, whatever we do. It gives considerable force to the contention by the green guru Professor James Lovelock, put forward last month in The Independent, that climate change is now past the point of no return.
The danger point we are now firmly on course for is a rise in global mean temperatures to 2 degrees above the level before the Industrial Revolution in the late 18th century.
At the moment, global mean temperatures have risen to about 0.6 degrees above the pre-industrial era - and worrying signs of climate change, such as the rapid melting of the Arctic ice in summer, are already increasingly evident. But a rise to 2 degrees would be far more serious.
By that point it is likely that the Greenland ice sheet will already have begun irreversible melting, threatening the world with a sea-level rise of several metres. Agricultural yields will have started to fall, not only in Africa but also in Europe, the US and Russia, putting up to 200 million more people at risk from hunger, and up to 2.8 billion additional people at risk of water shortages for both drinking and irrigation. The Government's conference on Avoiding Dangerous Climate Change, held at the UK Met Office in Exeter a year ago, highlighted a clear threshold in the accumulation of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, which should not be surpassed if the 2 degree point was to be avoided with "relatively high certainty".
This was for the concentration of CO2 and other gases such as methane and nitrous oxide, taken together in their global warming effect, to stay below 400ppm (parts per million) in CO2 terms - or in the jargon, the "equivalent concentration" of CO2 should remain below that level.
The warning was highlighted in the official report of the Exeter conference, published last week. However, an investigation by The Independent has established that the CO2 equivalent concentration, largely unnoticed by the scientific and political communities, has now risen beyond this threshold.
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article344690.ece
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: Alex213]
#5288168 - 02/11/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris?
Bush says yes:
"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." George W. Bush Sept. 23, 2002
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: exclusive58]
#5288287 - 02/11/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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why the fuck would we want to drive SUVs and ferraris? i think they are fucking stupid. it kind of seems like you suggest that they are (universally?) desirable to begin with, and that the environment is the only reason to not drive them.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: exclusive58]
#5288426 - 02/11/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris?
Bush says yes:
"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." George W. Bush Sept. 23, 2002
Got a link for that? I'd love to see it.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5288453 - 02/11/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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googled it in the provided quotes and got a ton of results. trenton, new jersey, date indicated.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: kilgore_trout]
#5288462 - 02/11/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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OK so let's have it. You know the deal here.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: Alex213]
#5288520 - 02/11/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, you know, Alex. The capitalists still believe the global warming thing is a silly, wild myth.
SUVs are grossly excessive and unnecessary, but I cannot tell people what to do.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: Alex213]
#5288724 - 02/11/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'm running my next vehicle on used vegetable oil.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: Alex213]
#5288732 - 02/11/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here's my new SUV:
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: Silversoul]
#5291452 - 02/12/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm getting a 2003 suburban. CHYEA!!!!
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: Alex213]
#5291551 - 02/12/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris?
No, only rich, heterosexual, white males.
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our kids doomed to inhabiting hell on earth
"Something else I'm getting tired of is all this stupid bullshit we have to listen to all the time about children. It's all you hear in this country, 'children', 'help the children', 'what about the children', 'save the children'. You know what I say? FUCK THE CHILDREN! Fuck em." - George Carlin
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: daimyo]
#5291771 - 02/12/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Global warming is still one of those things given to try to explain something. There is no proof of this idea of Global Warming. In the science world it was to be prooven and/or replicated for it to hold any weight. Read STATE OF FEAR and it goes more in depth.
WB
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: WhiteBunny]
#5291839 - 02/12/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Global warming is scientific fact. What is in dispute among reputable scientists is to what degree humans are contributing to it. Considering how much humans have changed the earth since the industrial revolution, I'd say it's likely that we have contributed a great deal to it. Global warming is going to happen with or without us, but the danger is that we may be accelerating climate change faster than ecosystems can adapt.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: daimyo]
#5291877 - 02/12/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't read State of Fear. It's shit.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: WhiteBunny]
#5291984 - 02/12/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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WhiteBunny said: Global warming is still one of those things given to try to explain something. There is no proof of this idea of Global Warming. In the science world it was to be prooven and/or replicated for it to hold any weight. Read STATE OF FEAR and it goes more in depth.
WB
State of Fear is fictional...
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: bukkake]
#5292118 - 02/12/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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the story is but the references are not... they are actually data. I am reading the HOT ZONE right now that is based on a true story but is still fictional...
Look into the signing the Leipzig Declaration in 1996
The following items of interest were quoted in the August 1997 edition of Environment News:
* A Gallup Poll found that only 17 percent of the members of the Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society think that the slight warming experienced in the 20th century has been the result of man-made greenhouse gas emissions ? principally CO2 from burning fossil fuels. * Only 13 percent of the scientists responding to a recent survey conducted by Greenpeace believe catastrophic climate change will result from continuing current patterns of energy use.
Global Warming is not a fact it is an opinion. To really understand the earth warming trends you would have to look at data from a time period many many many times longer than the time data was collect and even not to long ago the accuracy of that data is highly questionable.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: Gijith]
#5292123 - 02/12/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gijith said: Don't read State of Fear. It's shit.
It's not shit...not a crazy thriller either just interesting. It's the type of book some people like a lot and other people view as propaganda. There is only one way to find out.
WB
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: WhiteBunny]
#5292140 - 02/12/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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WhiteBunny said: Global Warming is not a fact it is an opinion.
In your own post, you give data about warming trends. Just what do you think global warming is? There's a difference between saying global warming is not caused by humans vs. saying it doesn't exist.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: Silversoul]
#5292189 - 02/12/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Put me down for a Ferrari.
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Re: Should we all just drive SUV's and Ferraris? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5292202 - 02/12/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Might as well have a good time while we can. We're going to use the all the oil eventually might as well do it all fast possible.
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