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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: mr crisper]
    #982499 - 10/22/02 07:21 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

****hope your mindset and codes weren't dented by my ignorance.****

I'm not sure what you meant by codes but nothing was dented thank you.

****do children have the same ability? ***

No but their parents do.

****do you think that the media is used as a tool for infecting the globe with/spreading the joy of american social, economic and political values?****

the media has something to sell. Their product is information and at times disinformation. It is the job of the consumer to use common sense to decide which is which (in a perfect world there would only be news reported....there is no perfect world)

as a side note there are medias outside the US that is 100 times worse...ie: the BBC which is amazing because every libbie out there thinks that it is non-biased....

****or perhaps more accurately a tool to serve the aims of certain corporations? ****

oh i see, you're using the great "corporations are evil" debate tactic trap..i don't buy it...see my previous response...


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Innvertigo]
    #982517 - 10/22/02 07:29 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

oh i see, you're using the great "corporations are evil" debate tactic trap

Well seeing as the media is owned by massive corporations who else are they going to represent?

The media exists to sell advertising. That is how they make money. For advertisers to pay them money the media needs to deliver a demographic. Preferably a demographic with money. Advertisers arn't going to pay you if your audience is penniless anarchists.

This is why no media is going to try to appeal to an audience of penniless anarchists. They are going to pander to people with money. There's not really any question about this. It's simply how the world is.


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Xlea321]
    #982544 - 10/22/02 07:42 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

***Well seeing as the media is owned by massive corporations who else are they going to represent? ***

so being a massive corp is a bad thing?...i'm confused now

****The media exists to sell advertising****

that's on aspect of it yes.

***For advertisers to pay them money the media needs to deliver a demographic. Preferably a demographic with money. Advertisers arn't going to pay you if your audience is penniless anarchists. ****

a little of point and it must be sad to see capitalism in this light..you must be very unhappy with life. How do you avoid listening to the media like you do?

****This is why no media is going to try to appeal to an audience of penniless anarchists. They are going to pander to people with money. There's not really any question about this. It's simply how the world is. ****

so what makes penniless anarchist any more deserving of media involvement?


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Innvertigo]
    #982802 - 10/22/02 09:33 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

so what makes penniless anarchist any more deserving of media involvement?

I thought your point was that all these massive media corporations are far left-wingers?


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Xlea321]
    #982811 - 10/22/02 09:37 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Anarchists would be the far right.

They are against government.


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Phluck]
    #982863 - 10/22/02 09:56 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Nah I don't really buy that capitalist anarchist stuff. Read the life of Emma Goldman for an anarchist outlook.


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: mr crisper]
    #983432 - 10/23/02 12:01 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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By what specific methods is the US government imposing American values on the rest of the world?




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"hollywood, tv, cnn............isn't it obvious? "

You're joking, right?

Hollywood: A private commercial institution, not funded by US tax dollars.......

TV: Again, a commercial institution, not funded by US tax dollars (with the exception of certain public access channells which are typically excellent and accurate in the quality of information)

CNN: HAHAHHAHAH, a primarlily liberal, COMMERCIAL, and private news corporation owned by Time Warner, one of the largest multinational corporations in the nation, and in no way involved with the US gov't...except for the gov'ts regulatory laws which may LIMIT aspects of its operation.


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action *DELETED* [Re: Xlea321]
    #983466 - 10/23/02 12:10 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Anonymous]
    #983560 - 10/23/02 12:30 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

my prediction is after the groundwork has been laid for stable energy in asia.... america will not be needed by capital to "keep the peace" in any significant way, because all of the world, including china are evolving into capital based market economies.... it will be at that point in time money flowing through the US econmoy will tightened and a new world paradigm put into action...




That makes sense unfortunately... America is still needed for a lot more than just "keeping the peace" though.


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Xlea321]
    #983859 - 10/23/02 01:34 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

no you're mistaken......as usual............


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: OkEyToKeY]
    #983938 - 10/23/02 01:56 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

bush majored in history


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Viveka]
    #984665 - 10/23/02 05:21 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

lets go back to the early days of hollywood, when scriptwriters were forced to conform to set guidelines regarding ethics and morals. these guidelines have basically persisted. which country repeatedly saves the world in every major disaster movie? do you deny the underlying psychological effects this continuous barrage must inflict?
in ww1, president wilson established the 'creel commission' devoted to using propaganda to promote the war effort, despite wison getting himself elected on a pacifist platform -'peace without victory' being the slogan. 2 ex-members of the creel commission, edward bernays and walter lippmann, have set the leading guidelines for the us public relations industry, one example from bernay -'it is possible to regiment the public mind every bit as a much as an army regiments their bodies'.

ww2 - i have on tape disney and popeye cartoons, titled respectively -'nazis-education for death' and 'your're a sap, mr jap'. please remember my point is, the media is used as a tool for propaganda.
in the 50's, the 'reds under the beds' era, hollywood trade unions were dissolved, freedom of the press was limited. scriptwriters and directors were banned if deemed too left wing, hence the only movies or tv shows coming out contained 'approved' dialogue and settings.
tv, how about nbc is owned by general electric, what else do g.e. make? big things that go bang!
do you really believe cnn is free to say and do whatever they like? they have to play the game if they want to survive. yes they have the appearance of freedom but scratch a little. their main spokespeople achieved and retain their positions because they can be trusted to disseminate disinformation without being cluttered by silly things like ideals. people that speak out openly and truthfully don't stay employed for very long.
cnn is "in no way involved with the US gov't"? who do they talk to every single fucking day? who do they uncritically quote everyday?


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Innvertigo]
    #984753 - 10/23/02 05:41 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

so being a massive corp is a bad thing?...i'm confused now





let me help -
do you consider wal-mart, exxon, general electric, gm and westinghouse to be kind and generous organisations that exist merely to make us happy and help keep the world a beautiful place?
do you think kiddies working at wal-marts sweat shops in china agree?
do you think people missing limbs and/or family members in places like afghanistan agree that g.e. and westinghouse build military hardware out of their urge to do good and be kind to others.
does mcdonalds exist to feed the world with nutritious food at a cheap price, that will keep us all healthy and leave our wallets bulging? 60 million obese americans can't wrong.
i could go on but i'm getting predictable.
being a massive corporation is not bad in itself, but the majority of them have, shall we say, rather self-centered agendas that do cause a lot of suffering to a lot of people.
an interesting model of a corporation that tries to be ethical is 'the body shop'.
its definitely worth checking out their policies, they are not massive but their products and shops can be found all over the world and they do make a profit without fucking people over.
i am not against corporations, i'm not even 'anti-yank'. i just think they could be more beautiful and caring. with a bit of thought they could easily continue making money without having to be greedy assholes about it. but no, why make a million when you can make a billion!


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Anonymous]
    #984971 - 10/23/02 06:44 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:



back on september 20th of this year you posted crap regarding police states, ruby ridge and waco.

make up ur mind what side of the bed u intend to roll out of... this is just one example of ur diatribe... there are many others i've read...



America is a police state. The anti-american foreigners are also all talk. How is this contradictory? WTF are you talking about?


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #985156 - 10/23/02 07:46 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

i may have misunderstood ur intentions when u started this thread... accept my apology





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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: mr crisper]
    #985917 - 10/23/02 04:26 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

****do you consider wal-mart, exxon, general electric, gm and westinghouse to be kind and generous organisations that exist merely to make us happy and help keep the world a beautiful place?****

It's not their job to be kind and generous to exist merely to make us happy....their job is to sell things ie: capitalism.

****do you think kiddies working at wal-marts sweat shops in china agree?****

you do have proof don't you? and Isn't the labor laws in China different from those in the US...or is it our fault they treat their people like shit.

****do you think people missing limbs and/or family members in places like afghanistan agree that g.e. and westinghouse build military hardware out of their urge to do good and be kind to others.****

your train of thought is really out there...why not find those companies that invented metal, plastics and paper and blame them because without them this would of never happened...please, give me a break WAR is WAR..if it weren't for them kinds of companies Hitler would of won WW2...or is that different?

****does mcdonalds exist to feed the world with nutritious food at a cheap price, that will keep us all healthy and leave our wallets bulging? 60 million obese americans can't wrong.****

yet again this is not their job....your socialist ideals are flowing at full blast

****i could go on but i'm getting predictable****

You said it..not me.

****being a massive corporation is not bad in itself****

unless they take care of the underachieving dolts in society today...right?

****an interesting model of a corporation that tries to be ethical is 'the body shop'.****

never heard of them...

****its definitely worth checking out their policies, they are not massive ****

then they aren't a massive corp. (the topic of this discussion)

****they do make a profit without fucking people over****

how do you know? and how are companies fucking people over? Don't buy from them..man this too easy






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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Innvertigo]
    #986520 - 10/23/02 09:16 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

i'm pleased my explanation cleared up your confusion.

could i assume your point of view is that anything goes, so long as a profit is made?
if people make ill-considered decisions it is their own fault? fukkem.
survival of the fittest kinda thing?

what do you think the world will be like 10, 20 and 30 years from now, assuming there are no major disasters that seriously disrupt the fabric of society?

in what situations do you feel pity, feel a need to protect and take care of living being weaker than yourself? y'know compassion.






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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: mr crisper]
    #986590 - 10/23/02 09:40 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

y'know compassion.

Compassion never turned a profit.

It's impossible for capitalism to show any human qualities whatsoever. Corporations are alien, fascist structures who'se goals are utterly at odds with human life. Their sole aim is short-term profit. The rainforest is destroyed - fuck it, some 10 year old kid works a 20 hour day and gets bullwhipped every time he falls asleep - fuck him. When short-term profit is your only God there can be no compassion.


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Xlea321]
    #986595 - 10/23/02 09:44 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Let's all sit at home and hope someone else does the work necessary to keep a functional society.

That is what you're saying Alex, no buts about it.

Capilatism is what keeps the world running. Every single product you use is the result of a capitalist company "turning a proft." The spores we all order come from capitalists. The tubs, the heaters, the computers, the Internet providers, the cars, even the bongs... ALL come from capitalism.


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Re: The anti-Yanks are all talk, no action [Re: Anonymous]
    #986610 - 10/23/02 09:53 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

ALL come from capitalism.

Nah, they come from people. Computers, the internet etc were all created almost entirely from public money. Taxpayers poured billions into their development and then when the time came they could actually make a profit they were simply given to private companies. The taxpayer paid for the research, some clueless wanker got a billion dollar fortune.

Turning massive profit from destroying the planet and peoples lives isn't capitalism - it's simple fucking greed.


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