TameMe said:

Why is it that when certain people speak, I get really agitated and annoyed?

It doesn't even matter what the person is saying, it's the tone of their voice that pisses me off.

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Because you have mental and emotional problems?

Why don't you go post this in The Pub, you know, somewhere where it is actually on-topic?


Peace.

Icelander said:

OUCH!

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I wasn't flaming, just giving an honest, quick answer to a quick question that is rather off-topic. If someone is seriously getting upset and angry at the tone of another person's voice, they have mental issues that they need to sort out if they are going to be a part of society.


Peace.

Icelander said:

I know you weren't flaming. The truth hurts. That's why I said OUCH and of course the first answer which was a flame.

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I never caught that.


Peace.

TameMe said:

reprograming i think would require me to fake my attitude...which i hate doing. i almost find it morally wrong to do so.

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Reprogramming one's reactions in such a situation isn't about faking an attitude... it's about using logical reasoning to deduce that your own reactions are not congruent with how you truly feel you should be presenting yourself.

In other words, it's not faking, but the very opposite thereof. "Reprogramming yourself" involves using awareness to see past a deeply ingrained false aspect of yourself through realization that your reactions (agitation and annoyance with no legitimacy) conflict with the very morality you mentioned above.

You obviously feel that your actions are atleast somewhat irrational, or else you wouldn't have posted this thread questioning it, right?

So use that realization of irrationality in combination with some rational logic to understand that a change of attitude would not be fake, but would more accurately reflect your true intentions as a person, and allow your morality and the reality of how you behave to be a little more inline. (the opposite of being fake.)

Any of that jive?

TameMe said:

... i'm interested in why this has happened....and after i figure that out..i'd like to learn how to fix it.

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fireworks_god said:

Because you have mental and emotional problems?

Why don't you go post this in The Pub, you know, somewhere where it is actually on-topic?


Peace.

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JacquesCousteau said:

"Reprogramming yourself" involves using awareness to see past a deeply ingrained false aspect of yourself through realization that your reactions (agitation and annoyance with no legitimacy) conflict with the very morality you mentioned above.

You obviously feel that your actions are at least somewhat irrational, or else you wouldn't have posted this thread questioning it, right?

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BlueCoyote said:

...i will have to realize that my rational mind takes precedence over the emotional mind
no, just keep them in balance while permitting the one or another crossover

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Exactly! There's nothing wrong with having an awareness of how tone, and sound effect you.

Some are kidding themselves about the effects of sound on the nervous system. Our government did extensive research into it looking to develop sound wave weaponry. Sound can KILL, shatter glass and crumble down concrete walls. Sound waves can be highly destructive. In the case of voice to person, it can effect the nervous system like nails down a chalk board.

There's a reason why the U.S. air force isn't allowed to break the sound barrier over populated areas. Ones tone or frequency pitch won't kill you but it can have a negative jarring or screeching effect on your nervous system causing your negative reaction to it.

Everyone is aware of the opera singer being able to shatter glass with their voice. Our bodies are made of material matter also. The more relaxed we stay, the easier we can absorb shattering sounds. If we are rigid and tense, they will work us over harder.

Work with what Red said about it maybe being related to memory and then follow with what JC said. You may be able to find someone in your past who used similar tone frequency, volumes and patterns you had bad experiences with and you can do some healing work with this knowledge and also realize, the newer people in your life speaking similarly are not the ones you carry bad feelings towards.

Some people developed bad habits of speaking in dissonant tones because they learned , they are effective for disabling peoples nerves. It's a form of personal weaponry for some.

It's not what is said but HOW its said related to choice of words and their order and choice of tone and volume.

You can growl in a low slow loud voice for someone to keep the fuck out of your business.

You can screech in a high loud fast voice for someone to stay the fuck out of you business.

Or you can say in a normal pleasant tone, speed and volume, "May I ask you to please respect my privacy in this matter. Thank you."

See and feel the difference?

The first two examples of are how people use their voice as a weapon. I don't think most realize they are doing it either. It's just learned behavior and becomes habit for people.

I think it was a big step for you to realize the powerful effects sound wave frequencies have on the nervous system. Start doing what I did and when people pull out the vocal weapons, ask them to please not use that tone of voice with you. Explain to them calmly, that you will understand them better if they speak to you in a calm voice. If they can't gain control over themselves, leave the room and tell them, you'll finish the discussion when they calm down.

The ones who slipped out of ration and into fear or anger are the ones who start using vocal weaponry. They can induce others into it with it. It's not an excuse to start using it back at them. Use ration to stay calm, help them get calm or leave.

We've all done it at some point and we can all work to understand its effects better, undo it's damage and to break the pattern.

I think 2006 is going to be the year I start paying better attention to how I use my voice, vocal and written. I want to get really good at being soothing, positive, constructive and nurturing with it. I have my work cut out for me, but its a good challenge I aspire to this year.

This topic does fit in with spirituality as a lot of spiritualist work with sound for healing. It's called toning and it's powerful stuff.