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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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Right so you have a large magnet outside of the wheel that you point at it, North pole face the north poles of the magnets on the wheel, it pushes the magnet on the wheel, and then does the same to the next.

I don't see how that wouldn't work.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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>you have to apply an external magnetic field to make it spin at all.

Not only that, but the field has to be periodically turned on and of. In order to achieve this, you have to invest energy, namely the same amount of energy the motor(including the loss) produces....


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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It seems to me the largest/most difficult obstacle is the placement of the magnets and the balance of weight. But other than that, I see no real obstacles.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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>I don't see how that wouldn't work.

Take a look at the videos.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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paradis said:
Right so you have a large magnet outside of the wheel that you point at it, North pole face the north poles of the magnets on the wheel, it pushes the magnet on the wheel, and then does the same to the next.

I don't see how that wouldn't work.

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No, it's not a regular magnet that you place outside of the wheel - it's an electromagnet which you have to pulse on and off to keep the wheel turning.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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They didn't play right for me. I really wanted to see them though.


I'm not saying it'd run FOREVER. The minato wheel made from a bicycle wheel was reported to spin freely for months after one initial spin by hand. That's not PERPETUAL motion, but if you could make a large model and have that turn a driveshaft which rotates a rotor over a stator such as the homemade alternators used in homemade windmills, hydromills, etc, that one spin could generate a considerable amount of power.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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No, it spins for about 10 seconds after one initial spin and without any continous external energy output.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
No, it's not a regular magnet that you place outside of the wheel - it's an electromagnet which you have to pulse on and off to keep the wheel turning.

Yeah, but you think it's not possible to build one that works just off the principles of magnetics? Like poles will repel.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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That was just a "reported" effect, which is completely wrong according to the actual minato wheel patent (which REQUIRES an external electromagnet to work).

Also, it requires a great deal of torque to turn a generator and generate any significant amount of electricity.

At the Ontario Science Center they have a modified exercise bike set up with a generator and 60 watt light bulb attached. You have to pedal like a madman to get the bulb to light up at all. It's very tiring. I saw a page on the net once where a guy built the same setup and tried to power a small 14" television using the bike. He said your had to pedal so hard and fast that the longest anyone could go for was just over a minute before being totally exhausted.

That just goes to show you how much work it takes to turn a generator. I seriously doubt these minato wheels could develop that kind of torque, even with the electromagnet to keep the thing spinning.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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I don't see how that wouldn't work.

It would work fine (spin), the issue is that the energy required to move the outer magnet back and forth to push on the inner magnet would be greater than the energy the device will produce.

This is like chaining the back wheel of your bike to the pedals and expecting it to power itself. :noway:


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
which is completely wrong according to the actual minato wheel patent (which REQUIRES an external electromagnet to work).



No no, the one I was talking about was the simple one. NO ELECTRICITY input at all. It consisted of nothing more than a bicycle wheel held by frame with the magnets and weights on the wheel and a magnet above, once the magnet above was in place and the wheel was spun, it kept spinning and spinning and spinning.


I'm gonna buy some fucking magnets and try to work it out cause this whole this is seriously pissing me off.

Good conversation, folks.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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paradis said:
trendal said:
No, it's not a regular magnet that you place outside of the wheel - it's an electromagnet which you have to pulse on and off to keep the wheel turning.

Yeah, but you think it's not possible to build one that works just off the principles of magnetics? Like poles will repel.


"Like poles will repel" is exactly the problem.

Let's make it simple: imagine a wheel with two magnets on it. One magnet is placed at one edge of the wheel, and the other is placed similarly at the other edge of the wheel (you need two to balance it out). Both magnets have their North poles facing outwards.

If you take a permanent magnet and hold it's North pole towards one of the magnets on the wheel, the wheel will start to spin. But as the other magnet comes around and approaches the magnet in your hand, it will be repelled also which will stop the wheel from making even a single full revolution.

The only way to get such a thing to work would to push the magnet in your hand towards and away from the wheel at just the right moment - so that you don't repel the wheel as its magnet is approaching yours, only just after its magnet has passed yours. But you would have to keep doing that to keep the wheel turning - it wouldn't just turn on its own.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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Isn't that why there's a counter-balance weight on the bottom half of the wheel? It swings the weight over and then the process starts again.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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paradis said:
I'm gonna buy some fucking magnets and try to work it out cause this whole this is seriously pissing me off.


I certainly encourage you to do so!! (just don't spend too much on the magnets, eh!)

There is nothing like first-hand proof, right before your eyes.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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paradis said:
Isn't that why there's a counter-balance weight on the bottom half of the wheel? It swings the weight over and then the process starts again.

???


But even as those counter-weights try to spin the wheel, the permanent magnet above the wheel will be pushing against the magnets on the wheel as they try to approach it. That will take energy out fo the wheel, slowing it down and eventually stopping it.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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Even if the magnets are angled in a subtle arc?

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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Even if the magnets are angled in a subtle arc?

Yes. When you push against something, it always pushes back just as hard.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Diploid]
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Damnit, I hate my mind. I still can't accept that this is impossible. In my mind I still rationalize it as possible. Everyone, please continue to explain/rationalize to me why this is stupid and won't work. I've been thinking about it for about two days now. I couldnt go to sleep until 5am last night. I'm seriously gonna have to buy some magnets and try it, but even then, it could be other factors/varaibles. FUUUUUUCCK!!!

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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Here is another video showing how similar motors work(not..)
http://stream.osen.org/aag/Perendev-Bedini-340kbps.wmv


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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Having a good visual always seems to help me, so I threw together this quick and dirty diagram to show you:



Now it doesn't matter how many magnets there are on the wheel (I used two, balancing eachother out, for simplicity) and it does not matter if the magnets are angled. You will still run into the problem of the magnets' repulsion working to stop the wheel from turning after only 1/2 a turn (or less, if you use more than two magnets - four would stop the wheel after only 1/4 of a turn).


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

Edited by trendal (01/18/06 06:08 PM)

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