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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Shdwstr]
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Can anybody explain why so many inventors are lieing?

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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Greed!

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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What I do believe, however, is that our economy is proped up by the selling of oil

Actually, it's the economies of Middle Eastern countries that's being propped up by the selling of oil. So, you see, you have it all wrong. Nothing would benefit our economy more than to reduce our (the US and western Europe) dependence on oil.

I don't understand how you arrive at the conclusion that the government is somehow suppressing the development of perpetual motion machines given that several people are in fact trying to develop them (and failing for decades so far) and the fact that importing expensive oil is hurting our economy.

Even if the Earth isn't powered perpetually it is certainly powered!

The Earth isn't powered. It's just winding down slowly like a top. Trying to harness the rotational energy in the Earth would be like trying to harness the kinetic energy of a moving car while you're in the car. It wouldn't work because you have no place to stand from which to push against the direction of motion of the car.

In order to extract the energy from the car, you'd have to stand on the road and slow the car by roping it, for example, and connecting the coiled end of the rope to a generator. As the car pulls away, it turns the generator.

The key here is that you can't do this if you and the generator are INSIDE the car, and as this applies to the Earth, we are ON the Earth.

If we built a solar orbiting platform that paralleled the orbit of the Earth on which to put the generator, it would still not work because the moment we tied a rope to the Earth and it started to turn the generator, it would also pull on the platform and disrupt its orbit. If we used rockets to compensate, they would require at least as much energy as we would generate.

See? It's a catch-22. No matter how you try, nature will require losses in the generating system such that the total energy produced will be less than the total energy required to operate the system.

The sun's power could also be harnessed far more efficiently.

On this we agree. However, there is a natural limit to how much solar energy can extracted for a given surface area. Current technologies are no where near 100% efficient, but even if a perfectly efficient solar cell were to be developed, it could only produce in electrical energy the same amount as the light energy falling on it from the sun. At 100% efficiency, it would be only a few watts per square meter because that's how much solar energy lands on a square meter on a sunny day. So, to produce usable commercial solar energy takes a very large piece of land.

Fortunately, solar, wind, and other alternative sources of energy are slowly developing as the laws of supply and demand make them more commercially viable as the world's oil reserves start to run out and the price of oil continues to go up.

Can anybody explain why so many inventors are lieing?

Lying about what?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (01/15/06 08:24 AM)

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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I believe in "free energy", just not at anything smaller than god scale. The big bang is widely considered an example of free energy.

Some speculate that there was created at the same time a universe made of negative matter and negative energy. This is different from just plain old everyday antimatter. Negative matter and positive matter would not release energy, such as with a matter-antimatter reaction, but would simply lead to the non-existance of both.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Diploid]
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>>>Nothing would benefit our economy more than to reduce our (the US and western Europe) dependence on oil.

The government makes a fortune out of the taxes they put on oil!

How would you sell free energy!!!

Take hydrogen for example, we could easily run generators of off water and sunlight & wind if we wanted too.

>>>The Earth isn't powered.

So nothing powered that top to spin then,
Nothing started it or hard any power to start the spinning hmmm
sounds like free energy lol
I love your 'science'.

>>>it could only produce in electrical energy the same amount as the light energy falling on it from the sun.

So use that to extract hydrogen then - coupled with wind and water - energy crisis over!

Electrolysis of water occurs at any voltage/ampage! Despite what science rules say.

>>>Lying about what?

FREE ENERGY; Are we in the same thread.

I don't want to say it but your answers are not well thought. If you're going to bover then put some research in and try and remeber what we are talking about....

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Yeah,

I mean its a chicken and the egg type arguement but like you say something started that bang!

People really have got to start thinking outside the rule book.

I bet if Einstein hadn't of thought outside the box and just said no that can't exist because of this old rule then he wouldn't of come up with any of the great theories he did!!!

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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So nothing powered that top to spin then,
Nothing started it or hard any power to start the spinning hmmm
sounds like free energy lol
I love your 'science'.

"Powered" means to have a continuing application of power. The Earth is not powered, because there is nothing which continues to apply power to its rotation. It only continues to rotate due to the INCREDIBLE amount of inertia involved in something as massive as the Earth.

So use that to extract hydrogen then - coupled with wind and water - energy crisis over!

You would be better off just using the solar energy directly. Any time you try to change energy from one form into another, the absolute best you can do is unity...though for technical reasons I suspect unity is not possible. With current technology, you would be losing energy in the conversion from light to electricity, then lose more energy in the conversion of electricity to hydrogen, and lose even more energy when you use that hydrogen to power whatever it is you are powering.

It's not like you can convert 145% of the energy in sunlight into hydrogen...because you can only ever use 100% of something before it is gone :wink:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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Oh, and all those "inventors" don't have to be lying to be wrong.

I'm sure many of them actually believe they've discovered free energy. That's good for them, but I won't and can't belive it until I see some proof. Or at least a valid explanation.

The rest of them are just lying.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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Now as far as free-energy goes in the economic sense....I doubt it will be possible to give away energy for "free" as long as money and the need for exchange exists. Energy will only be "free" if and when everything is given away for free.

Lets say someone does discover/invent a virtually inexhaustible source of energy. How complex is the machine to do it? People will still have to buy the machine itself - so the energy isn't really "free" at all...just really cheap. Or what if it requires a large-scale setup, like current power plants? Then there will be issues of the transmission of that energy as well as the cost of the power plant itself....so people will still have to pay someone to get some of the energy.

See what I mean? Energy can't be free unless everything else is free...because you can't just grab energy out of the air with your bare hands.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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Your answers are correct and I do not disagree.

But I still think we'd be better off using hydrogen generators run from solar/wind power and hydrogen engines as opposed to destorying our planet.

Money is what its all about. Theres more money involved for the powers that be in selling oil thus they don't tell people that they could in fact easily convert to running off of hydrogen.

It will always be debatable as to what started the inertia. Even science will probably state that genrally something has to start inertia. If not then that is evidence of some kind of free energy.

Things don't just start spinning on their own, but yes inertia refers to something that has already started.

It is a paradox I spose.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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Oh I totally agree about the hydrogen thing, my point was just that there's no such thing as a free-ride as far as energy goes. We only have the energy here on Earth that was either here to begin with (in the form of gravitational energy and nuclear energy) or is received from external sources (the sun).


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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First person that shows me a working 50hp Magnetic drive motor, or an economical Hydrogen cell.
I'll be getting out my checkbook.
My idea of free energy, isn't nessessarily over unity... it's not having to pay a utility company outrageous fees for my personal needs every month!

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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What about a minato wheel?

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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How does it work? I've never heard of one, and can't seem to find any plans for one or any explanation online.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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http://www.google.com/search?q=minato+wheel


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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You gota see how the "motor" works
http://www.fdp.nu/photobooks/album.asp?fdp=y&album=7&name=Minato%20Movies

watch the first video.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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I was looking for something a little more substantial than the pages it returned.

I found the US patent for this "minato wheel": LINK

And it certainly is not a perpetual motion device, for this glaring reason (in bold):

Quote:
Abstract

On a rotor which is fixed to a rotatable rotating shaft, a plurality of permanent magnets are disposed along the direction of rotation such that the same magnetic pole type thereof face outward. In the same way, balancers are disposed on the rotor for balancing the rotation of this rotor. Each of the permanent magnets is obliquely arranged with respect to the radial direction line of the rotor. At the outer periphery of the rotor, an electromagnet is disposed facing this rotor, with this electromagnet intermittently energized based on the rotation of the rotor. According to the magnetic rotating apparatus of the present invention, rotational energy can be efficiently obtained from permanent magnets. This is made possible by minimizing as much as possible current supplied to the electromagnets, so that only a required amount of electrical energy is supplied to the electromagnets.


Definitely not perpetual motion, and definitely not free-energy.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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Anno said:
You gota see  how the "motor" works
http://www.fdp.nu/photobooks/album.asp?fdp=y&album=7&name=Minato%20Movies

watch the first video.


:rofl2:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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I don't see why you couldn't experiment and find the proper placement for the magnets on the wheel to make it continuously spin.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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Because, as the patent clearly states, you have to apply an external magnetic field to make it spin at all. Once you take away that field, the wheel slows down and stops.


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But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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