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Acetic acid extraction of MAOI
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After having pretty severe strong stomach discomfort from even well filtrated caapi, has anyone experimented with extracting the pure MAOI from caapi or syrian rue?

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Re: Acetic acid extraction of MAOI [Re: simtap]
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I've done simple HCl/H2O extractions of b. caapi, but I didn't attempt to get a crystalline product, I just filtered the water and evaporated the liquid in the oven to get an oily goo, which I rolled into balls and covered in food starch for storage. Works well- now I have pill-sized doses of caapi, with all the magic!

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Re: Acetic acid extraction of MAOI [Re: Mezcal]
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Hum so just an A/B extraction without the B eh.


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Re: Acetic acid extraction of MAOI [Re: Fluxburn]
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yes, a hasenfratz/manske (warm vinegar soak, filter, salt, chill) will yield a solid crystalline mass (mixture of HCl salts of harmine, THH, etc.)


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Re: Acetic acid extraction of MAOI [Re: Mezcal]
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I've done simple HCl/H2O extractions of b. caapi, but I didn't attempt to get a crystalline product, I just filtered the water and evaporated the liquid in the oven to get an oily goo

Yeah I did this but still found it gave me an almighty stomach ache. I was wondering if the pure form of the Harmaline was any better.

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Re: Acetic acid extraction of MAOI [Re: simtap]
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Acetic Acid Isolation of Harmine and Harmaline
Mankse's Acetic Acid Peganum Harmala Extraction
From "The Alkaloids" Vol II (p393), Mankse:

"The crushed seeds of Peganum Harmala are covered with three times their weight of water containing 30 g of acetic acid per liter of water. The seeds swell as they absorb the liquid and form a thick dough which is pressed after 2-3 days. The pressed seeds are once more treated as above with twice their weight of dilute acetic acid and, after maceration, the liquid is again pressed out. To the combined liquors, sodium chloride (100g. / liter of liquid) is added to transform the acetates of harmine and harmaline into the hydrochlorides which are insoluble in cold sodium chloride solutions and are precipitated during cooling. The supernatant liquid is siphoned off, the crystalline residue filtered with suction and redissolved in hot water.

Addition of sodium chloride to the filtered solution causes the precipitation of the hydrochlorides as a crystalline mush and this process is repeated until the hydrochlorides have acquired a yellow color. The final product is then recovered by filtration."
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Well, nothing can beat use of white vinegar, water and table salt!


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