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Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life
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I told my freind that it was a theuraputic experience that helped me develop acceptance for myself and she said I was trying to justifying my recreation use of illegal drugs. It really makes me sad when my freinds dismiss some of the most important experiences of my life as being delusional or destructive. I never told her she needed to do it too.

I guess there is no point in stating that people are ignorant and closed-minded on the whole and there is nothing I could ever do to change this. She said I need to get over the fact that nobody gives a shit what I thought my experience was and move on. She is right, but it really makes me hate our society.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Welcome to prejudice town. Population: every damn human being ever born (even you and me).


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I find your lack of faith disturbing

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Divided_Sky]
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I saw a Donahue once that was about E. A woman who had a terminal disease said that it helped her accept the fact that she was going to die.

I actually have never done the stuff, but it appears as if it does have some true medical uses for therapy reasons.

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: RandalFlagg]
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It sure does!


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Divided_Sky]
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I've had moments like that too. Some people just don't get it. They just think that any "drug"(other than alcohol or Prozac or whatever else their doctor gives them) can't do anything other than mess up your mind. It was actually quite a culture shock for me when I first went to this college I'm at, because I had assumed college would be full of stoner hippies and psychonauts(and I have managed to make friends with a few such people, but we're a persecuted minority around here), but instead I was confronted with people's ignorant attitudes towards drugs.

When I was in High School, I remember drugs just didn't seem like that big a deal to most people I knew(and this was at a Catholic school, mind you). Either you smoked weed or you minded your own business. Never had I seen such judmental attitude among my peers as I have since I came here. Thank God it's only a couple weeks 'til I graduate and once and for all get the hell out of this snobby hellhole known as San Bernardino County.


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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Silversoul]
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That's so weird. In all of the colleges in my neck of the woods it is a right of passage to do a bunch of drugs.

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
That's so weird. In all of the colleges in my neck of the woods it is a right of passage to do a bunch of drugs.



Here in the Inland Empire people think they're so much better for just drinking alcohol. Yet this school has had a record number of alcohol poisoning incidents this year. I dare them to find a single incident of pot poisoning.


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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
I dare them to find a single incident of pot poisoning.



I know of an incident of LSD poisoning:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post3546126

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Silence, you! Need I bring up a certain case of fecal poisoning?


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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Silversoul]
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:lol:

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Yea lots of people just don't get it, I have had close friends in the past who think I am a criminal for doing drugs, bunch of ignorant bastards if you ask me

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Divided_Sky said:
I told my freind that it was a theuraputic experience that helped me develop acceptance for myself and she said I was trying to justifying my recreation use of illegal drugs. It really makes me sad when my freinds dismiss some of the most important experiences of my life as being delusional or destructive. I never told her she needed to do it too.

I guess there is no point in stating that people are ignorant and closed-minded on the whole and there is nothing I could ever do to change this. She said I need to get over the fact that nobody gives a shit what I thought my experience was and move on. She is right, but it really makes me hate our society.



Well,thats the expected behaviour from most people.

If stereotypes is the problem then...play with them! What i mean: If one is labeled as a "drug user",then this stereotype gets in the way of any "public anouncement" of their breakthroughs or whatever else. I dont know you style,your interests,your way of life,but by judging on how she chalked up your experience as "justification of doing drugs" (notice the verb "doing" and its tense!) one could assume that maybe se knows or supposes that you are a frequent user of psychoactives. I think she might have listened more if a "straight edge" person told her the same experience ,lets say originating from a psychiatrists office.

Simply put if i wanted my voice to be heard,wanted or not, i would have to keep an image having nothing to do with "doing" (present continuous is the tense i think,thats important! :laugh:) drugs,so i could be heard even to straight edge people...To be frank im not even "smoking" weed and when i speak to people about psychoactives it baffles them a lot that they have never seen me "under the influence",or my stories of how i passed last night or at that party involved substance mentioning.It baffles them that neither any part of my life is associated/reminiscent of any sort of "drug use"...Its a weird path,but in this path the "You are trying to justify drug use" cannot flourish.

Just imagine the look at her face if an acquaintance  being present in the conversation popped in and sayed "But he isnt DOING drugs.So is he trying to justify anything?". And yet,imagine knowing that the axuaintance is right because you may have experienced certain psychoactives but they are not in daily weekly or monthly schedule of any sort....


Hmmm,dont know if my message went accross.

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Psiloman]
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I'm just assuming she's never tried ecstasy or else she'd realize that she's wrong.

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Reason for deletion: Im sorry



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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: blink]
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What cracks me up is this culture of people who are like "I like to binge drink and get real fucked, but I don't do DRUGS! Drugs are bad." Alcohol and nicotine kill way more people than e, but they are accepted by the majority of people. Alchohol in particular depresses your nervous system making you stupid, loud, inarticulate and belligerant, and then you feel like shit afterword. That these people believe that alchohol isn't actually a drug, and that they can judge you for doing something more productive and less harmful is totaly backward.

Maybe what we see is just the continuation of the society that punishes kids for being smart in grade school and rewards them for being stupid and fitting in. ALchohol is one of the stupidest drugs there are, so it's no suprise that people who responsibly use more benign substances are looked down upon.

I was so frustrated last night because my freind is pretty intelligent, but no matter how many logical arguments I made for individual liberty, responsible use, against prohibition, and not having a double standard between alchohol and things that are actually less destructive she just replied "Drugs are bad for society." and I'd say "Which ones?" and she'd say "It's not about which ones, drugs are bad for society" I would say that I had just demonstrated that not all chemicals are the same and that we should decided case by case but then she would respond with "Few people use psychedelics, so they aren't really an issue. Nobody cares about them," then I said "If they aren't an issue why are they criminalized and why is it illegal to create a place for controlled theraputic use?" and she would say "Because drugs are bad for society and nobody cares about psychedelics."

Does what she said make ANY sense? It doesn't to me. When I responded that it was illogical to me she used the usual doesn't make sense to YOU crap, and who I am to tell the majority of Americans they are wrong. This lady is a social worker in the field of substance abuse, but I felt like I was talking to a brick wall.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Well don't worry because there are people out there who have the same perspective as you. They are just harder to find. Why? Because once you do, you will realize how valuable their friendship is.

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Re: Just Got Laughed At For Saying Ecstacy Improved My Life [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Most people have bought into the pick your battles and simply don't want to get their hands dirty with the "Legalize" shit. Honestly, I'm quite frustrated with it too. Campaigning for drug legalization is frustrating and complicates life; I prefer to remain a user rather than become a scapegoat for someone's political agenda or social conquest. (Not exactly goin for the hippy of the year with that comment.)

this excerpt validates your claim of "it changed my life for the better" (or something to that effect)
show it to her if you feel it's worth it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdma

It was widely used therapeutically by US psychotherapists (especially on the West Coast) because of its empathogenic effects until its criminalization in the late 1980s. The drug was hailed as a miracle by therapists and counselors who claimed couples could have six months worth of progress in one use of the drug, and soldiers returning from the Vietnam war could overcome their PTSD sometimes more effectively than talk or group therapy. A small number of therapists continue to use it in their practices today. (See below for 2001 FDA approval and DEA licensing for use in patients with post-traumatic stress disorder.)

It's illegal because of it's potential for abuse and not because of any physical health risks. Risks are reported mostly because of it's illegal status which promotes 'cutting'. An impure drug now.

Knowledge is power.


Edited by Cowgold (12/07/05 02:04 PM)

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