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Ginseng!
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So whats the deal... ive been taking royal jelly for the past couple weeks, just cheap standard japanese ginseng found at the local big buy store...

and things have been good. I cant pinpoint if its life, ginseng, multivitamins...

ive felt more clear, artistic, motivated, social, and incontrol/grounded than i have in... years.

been thinking about trying some nootropics, but jeeze, i need some exercise.

anyways, whats your experiences?

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Re: Ginseng! [Re: headset]
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I've heard nootropics are either a hit or miss. Some people love em some can't tell the difference.


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Re: Ginseng! [Re: Stonerguy]
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id say im VERY sensitive to anything mind altering (consumed or exterior) perhaps placebo will kick it up.

but by the same token, im planning extensive travels once the heat comes, and im not going to be able to carry/afford any nootropics.

so right now its just an idea.

have you any experience with ginseng?

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Re: Ginseng! [Re: headset]
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Only from energy drinks which in no way affect me. How many mgs do you usualy dose around?


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Re: Ginseng! [Re: headset]
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in the last two months ive been eating more food and healthier food than i ever have before (mainly because im recovering from a motorcycle accident). i havent had any drugs or alc since and, ignoring the broken hand and a few other injuries, im feeling more energetic, social, and happier than ever before. and theres this feeling of ease thats really nice to have. im definately gonna try to stick with this healthy diet.


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Re: Ginseng! [Re: eligal]
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im working on that too, im living with some bro's who know how to cook down healthy food - alot of dumpstered or predumpster produce scores, + tofu...

we live in a communal house and i just got off graves, im working on the diet too.

Ginseng.. i take royal jelly, so its a little vial.. and you stick a straw through the top and sip it up. 1 per day.. i think all the writing on the box is japanese, but its like 5.70 for a case of 20..

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Re: Ginseng! [Re: headset]
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Ginseng is caffeine, thats why.  :shrug:

If you can take a daily dose of caffeine w/ out ill effects, do what works.  For me, the stimulation, cognitive enhancement, and mood lift aren't worth the irritable evening/night. 

I take piracetam, a couple choline sources, ALCAR, multi-vitamin, and B50... works well w.out the crash.


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Re: Ginseng! [Re: Noviseer]
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Noviseer said:
Ginseng is caffeine, thats why.  :shrug:



Is that true?  I never knew/heard that  :confused:

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Re: Ginseng! [Re: Boom]
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No.. that is NOT true.

Ginseng is ginseng.

Caffeine, is caffeine.

Ginseng is the most famous Chinese herb. It is the most widely recognized plant used in traditional medicine. Various forms of ginseng have been used in medicine for more than 7000 years. Several species grow around the world, and though some are preferred for specific benefits, all are considered to have similar properties as an effective general rejuvenator.

The name panax is derived from the Greek word panacea meaning, "all healing" and the benefits of ginseng are recognized as such. Ginseng is commonly used as an adaptogen, meaning it normalizes physical functioning depending on what the individual needs (for example, it will lower high blood pressure, but raise low blood pressure).

It is also used to reduce the effects of stress, improve performance, boost energy levels, enhance memory, and stimulate the immune system. Oriental medicine has deemed ginseng a necessary element in all their best prescriptions, and regards it as prevention and a cure. It is said to remove both mental and bodily fatigue, cure pulmonary complaints, dissolve tumors and reduce the effects of age.

Ginseng is native to China, Russia, North Korea, Japan, and some areas of North America. It was first cultivated in the United States in the late 1800's. It is difficult to grow and takes 4-6 years to become mature enough to harvest. The roots are called Jin-chen, meaning 'like a man,' in reference to their resemblance to the shape of the human body.

Native North Americans considered it one of their most sacred herbs and add it to many herbal formulas to make them more potent. The roots can live for over 100 years.

Ginseng contains vitamins A, B-6 and the mineral Zinc, which aids in the production of thymic hormones, necessary for the functioning of the defense system. The main active ingredients of ginseng are the more than 25 saponin triterpenoid glycosides called "ginsenosides". These steroid-like ingredients provide the adaptogenic properties that enable ginseng to balance and counter the effects of stress. The glycosides appear to act on the adrenal glands, helping to prevent adrenal hypertrophy and excess corticosteroid production in response to physical, chemical or biological stress.

Studies done in China showed that ginsenosides also increase protein synthesis and activity of neurotransmitters in the brain. Ginseng is used to restore memory, and enhance concentration and cognitive abilities, which may be impaired by improper blood supply to the brain.

Ginseng helps to maintain excellent body functions. Siberian ginseng has been shown to increase energy, stamina, and help the body resist viral infections and environmental toxins. Research has shown specific effects that support the central nervous system, liver function, lung function and circulatory system.

Animal studies have shown that ginseng extracts stimulate the production of interferons, increase natural killer cell activity, lower cholesterol and decrease triglyceride levels. Men have used the herb to improve sexual function and remedy impotence. Ginseng is believed to increase estrogen levels in women and is used to treat menopausal symptoms.

It is also used for diabetes, radiation and chemotherapy protection, colds, chest problems, to aid in sleep, and to stimulate the appetite.


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Re: Ginseng! [Re: Shroomism]
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Caffeine is the world's most popular drug. The white, bitter-tasting, crystalline substance was first isolated from coffee in 1820. Both words, caffeine and coffee, are derived from the Arabic word qahweh (pronounced "kahveh" in Turkish). The origins of the words reflect the spread of the beverage into Europe via Arabia and Turkey from north-east Africa, where coffee trees were cultivated in the 6th century. Coffee began to be popular in Europe in the 17th century. By the 18th century plantations had been established in Indonesia and the West Indies.

The caffeine content of coffee beans varies according to the species of the coffee plant. Beans from Coffee arabica, grown mostly in Central and South America, contain about 1.1% caffeine. Beans from Coffee robusta, grown mostly in Indonesia and Africa, contain about 2.2% caffeine. Caffeine also occurs in cacao pods and hence in cocoa and chocolate products; in kola nuts, used in the preparation of cola drinks; and in the ilex plant, from whose leaves the popular South American beverage yerba mate is prepared.

Caffeine is also found in tea. It was first isolated from tea leaves in 1827 and named "theine" because it was believed to be a distinctly different compound from the caffeine in coffee. Tea leaves contain about 3.5% caffeine, but a cup of tea usually contains less caffeine than a cup of coffee because much less tea than coffee is used during preparation.

Caffeine taken in beverage form begins to reach all tissues of the body within five minutes. Peak blood levels are reached in about 30 minutes. Half of a given dose of caffeine is metabolized in about four hours ? more rapidly in smokers and less rapidly in newborn infants, in women in late pregnancy, and in sufferers from liver disease. Normally, almost all ingested caffeine is metabolized. Less than 3% appears unchanged in urine, and there is no day-to-day accumulation of the drug in the body.

Short-term effects of a drug are those that appear soon after a single dose and disappear within hours. Ingestion of the amount of caffeine in one or two cups of coffee (75-150 mg) causes many mild physiological effects. General metabolism increases - expressed as an increase in activity or raised temperature, or both. The rate of breathing increases, as does urination and the levels of fatty acids in the blood and of gastric acid in the stomach. (However, at least one other component of coffee also increases gastric acid secretion. Therefore ulcer sufferers may not achieve relief by switching to decaffeinated coffee.)

Caffeine use may increase blood pressure.

Caffeine stimulates the brain and behavior. Use of 75-150 mg of caffeine elevates neural activity in many parts of the brain, postpones fatigue, and enhances performance at simple intellectual tasks and at physical work that involves endurance but not fine motor coordination. (Caffeine-caused tremor can reduce hand steadiness.)

Caffeine's effects on complex intellectual tasks and on mood do not lend themselves to a simple summary. The effects depend on the personality of the user, on the immediate environment, on the user's knowing whether caffeine has been taken, and even on the time of day.

The effects of caffeine on sleep are clear-cut: taken before bedtime, it usually delays sleep onset, shortens overall sleep time, and reduces the "depth" of sleep. After using caffeine, sleepers are more easily aroused, move more during sleep, and report a reduction in the quality of sleep. The effects of caffeine on dreaming are less clear.

Larger doses of caffeine, especially when given to non-users, can produce headache, jitteriness, abnormally rapid heartbeat (tachycardia), convulsions, and even delirium. Near-fatal doses cause a crisis resembling the state of a diabetic without insulin, including high levels of blood sugar and the appearance of acetone-like substances in urine. The lowest known dose fatal to an adult has been 3,200 mg - administered intravenously by accident. The fatal oral dose is in excess of 5,000 mg - the equivalent of 40 strong cups of coffee taken in a very short space of time.


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Re: Ginseng! [Re: Shroomism]
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lol I had a feeling you were going to post something like that.

Still... am I wrong, or do the prominent effects of ginseng come primarily from Xanthines (caffeine analogs)?

It feels like caffeine to me :shrug:  Actually, I get a worse crash from Ginseng than from a comparable amount of coffee.


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Re: Ginseng! [Re: Noviseer]
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They are two completely different things.

The amount of xanthines in ginseng ranges drastically. From 1mg-200. I am pretty sure the prominent effects do not come from them. Also it can have a different effect on caffeine-sensitive people.

The major difference, is that ginseng is good for the heart. Caffeine is not.

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The constituents of ginseng are varied and complex, including polysaccharides and other sugar compounds, lipids and fatty acids, flavonoids, and alkaloids. Among the key ingredients are certain saponins or glycosides, particularly the ginsenosides, about a dozen of which have been identified in Asian ginseng. The ginsenosides may act through multiple channels, such as by altering blood flow to the brain, modifying the levels of certain neurotransmitters, and possibly exerting mild hormonal effects.



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