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Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy
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Whether it is religion, politics, street gangs, or message boards, what purpose is there in respecting hierarchal authority? If there is always a potential for abuse, why bother? Why shouldn't all folks be treated as equal? Does it stem from insecurity? An instinctual need to control? What gives the weak the right to be protected in the land of the strong?


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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Maybe the weak only have that right because some strong ones want to protect them from other strong ones.

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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: MJF]
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I realize I'm not an established member of this community (sic), but why are we beating this dead horse? It's so five-minutes ago...


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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Quote:
Why shouldn't all folks be treated as equal?


In a spiritual sense all should. Yet some folks are unskillful at living in community. All you can hope for is leadership benevolent to some degree. Most leaders come from the ranks of the most unskillful unfortunately. They seek power because they feel powerless in their living. They seek to conquer their fear in the most unskillful way. Confusion and stress ensues.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: IgnatiusJReilly]
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Your contribution is priceless. Thank you.


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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:banana:


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: IgnatiusJReilly]
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There are weak people, and there are strong people. There are also lots of steps in between those extremes. It is the law of the land. The strong have a right and a duty to lead.


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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:rofl:

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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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daimyo said:
Your contribution is priceless. Thank you.


*beats another dead horse for you* must.contribute.to.overall.good.of.thread/errrm/society ... robots of the wxrlds, keep spinnin' the hamster wheels!-)

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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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daimyo said:
An instinctual need to control?


"To be in hell is to drift; to be in heaven is to steer."


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: H_Wrabbit]
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H_Wrabbit said:
daimyo said:
An instinctual need to control? 


"To be in hell is to drift; to be in heaven is to steer."


- dr0mni  :wink:



there is more possibility for abuse WITHOUT the hierarchy... order FROM chaos...


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: dr0mni]
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"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent." - Abraham Lincoln

"Ultimately, the only power to which man should aspire is that which he exercises over himself." - Elie Wiesel


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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"Ultimately, the only power to which man should aspire is that which he exercises over himself."
but isn't charisma power over others? why is charisma a bad thing?

maybe hierarchy happens because people aren't equal to begin with. some are faster, some are stronger, some are richer, etc.


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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/me beats you into the ground with my uber mod stick :smirk:


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: crunchytoast]
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crunchytoast said:
"Ultimately, the only power to which man should aspire is that which he exercises over himself."
but isn't charisma power over others? why is charisma a bad thing?


Charisma is having the charm that may enable one to have power over another. The charisma isn't bad, the abuse of it may be though.

crunchytoast said:
maybe hierarchy happens because people aren't equal to begin with. some are faster, some are stronger, some are richer, etc.


Indeed. Which is why I asked "What gives the weak the right to be protected in the land of the strong?"


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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consider:
you could wake up weak at any moment yet be a complete self.
you could wake up strong at any moment but be a hazard to self and others.
a benefit of society is to protect all equally, weakness and strongness fluctuates daily.
being able to adjust and make new beginnings is very important.


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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let me get this straight, the rationale behind "the weak should be protected" is that this protects us all.

IOW it's a purely practical rationale. "rights" have a purely practical meaning. morality is a mirage.

what do you think?


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: crunchytoast]
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The rationale I view for the mindset that the weak should be protected stems from fear. Fear of eventually becomming weak. The fear of failure or death.

I think if every person worried solely about themself things would be much better off.

Having a system of authority is not conducive to survival of the fittest. When the weak, whether physically, mentally, financially or morally, are protected, the strong suffer.
Unless they find a way to manipulate the system and use the weaknesses to their advantage(politics).


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: daimyo]
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If everyone solely worried about themselves.. we would all be fucked.


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Re: Buying Into The Close-minded Hierarchy [Re: Shroomism]
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Why do you say that?


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