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InvisibleOlgualion
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I am closed minded!
    #1565557 - 05/21/03 01:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Close minded to the possibility that there is nothing beyond this physical world. I am closed minded to this possibility because i know it to be untrue.

Mr mushrooms made me think of this in a post o his today. I try to look at things from as many perspectives as possible, but am I close minded If I can not look at something with the perspective of a closed mind?


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: Olgualion]
    #1565564 - 05/21/03 01:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting idea. I hadn't thought of that before.


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: Olgualion]
    #1565649 - 05/21/03 01:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Close-minded, to me, means not being willing to consider all possible possibilities (as well as not being tolerant or accepting of people whose life-styles are different from your own.)

Since you don't even seem willing to consider that there might not be something beyond this physical world, then I would personally consider you close-minded. That's just my personal opinion, though.

-RebelSteve


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: Olgualion]
    #1565667 - 05/21/03 01:51 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The ancient Greeks had two words for knowledge, episteme for those things that are absolute and doxa for those things that remain within the realm of doubt.

Most things are doxa. We have very few things we can know with certitude.

Currently we have no evidence, empirical or otherwise, that negates the possibility of supernatural.

A lot of confusion can be had in the definitions of terms. It is like the difference between 'possible' and "probable'. Most things are possible but far fewer things are probable.

Good thread!

Cheers,


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: ]
    #1566414 - 05/21/03 05:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think anyone is really closed-minded or open-minded... it's not quite so black and white.

I think we are selectively open-minded. It's simple... we remain open to the things which interest us and which we aren't sure of... and closed to the things that we know are bullshit. And yes, it is possible to KNOW if something is bullshit.

For example, I KNOW that McDonald's is a profit organization which exploits the ignorance of the masses, sacrificing the health of the many in order to increase the profits of the few. Therefore, I am closed-minded to the notion that McDonald's sells good, quality food and honestly cares about the health of their customers. I close my mind to this because I KNOW that I am correct in this. Do not confuse knowledge with belief. Of this matter, I KNOW.

The fact is that people's opinions or emotions cannot sway what is truth, and just because somebody thinks that McDonald's is doing a great deed to humanity, doesn't mean I have to remain "open" to the possibility that they are correct, because I KNOW that they are not.

Sometimes when I explain this, people say, "But what makes you so sure that your opinion matters more than anybody else's? You're just another guy with his own opinion."
To this I would say, that my truth was not arrived at through feelings of ignorant physical satisfaction. Just because something tastes good and contains a high level of some elementary nutritional property, does not mean it is worth eating.

People tend to develop opinions based on what satisfies some low-level physical or material need which they have, and not because they have made adequate, unbiased observations leading to an undeniable answer.

Don't be fooled by the appearance and title of this link I am about to give you, but check it out... it is written by a highly intelligent person and is called "Contra open-mindedness"

http://www.datejesus.com/sermons/openminded/


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: Olgualion]
    #1566547 - 05/21/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


I'm with RebelSteve on this one.  :tongue:


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: ]
    #1567083 - 05/21/03 09:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Nothing except my existence is episteme... some things are just very stable doxa.

Edit:  Is that better, Mr_M?  I honestly don't know how I missed that. :wink:


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Edited by Sclorch (05/22/03 01:53 AM)


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: Sclorch]
    #1567198 - 05/21/03 10:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with you Sclorch. I don't think we can say anything is absolute.

Amenesiac,

I agree with you that we remain open-minded until we discover our personal truth. That is until some outside influence changes our perception. In that sense, we are all open-minded, even if you think your not. It just means that you accept the possibility of something, not that you accept it as equal as in the essay you posted.


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: Sclorch]
    #1567309 - 05/21/03 10:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You're wrong but if it helps you to believe that go right ahead.


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: ]
    #1567319 - 05/21/03 10:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Most things are doxa. We have very few things we can know with certitude.

I seem to remember you saying before that we know nothing with certitude. Have you recently changed your belief, or am I just mistaken? If I'm not mistaken, what was it that changed your mind? Just wondering...

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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1567340 - 05/21/03 10:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You are mistaken. I never would have said that.

I know that I exist with certitude.


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: ]
    #1567347 - 05/21/03 10:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Mr Mushrooms, can you give us an example of something that is absolute?


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1567357 - 05/21/03 10:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I just did.


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Re: I am closed minded! [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1567765 - 05/22/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It entirely depends upon the scale your looking at. How can we measure what we "don't know"?

But, the episteme in relation to the doxa on the "grand scale" is very small.


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