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Pub Modship
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Id just like to say that i think some of the pub mods are gettin out of hand again.

Theres no parity whatsoever in the bans they hand out or their length.

It seems if your a regular pubber then you can get away with murder, and do whatever you want. If your not, you get banned for the slightest thing.

Maybe this is something that can be looked into and the more fanatic mods can be taken down a peg, or jus give em some xannies so they can chill or something?

the pub used to be such an inviting place, now it seems like some exclusive country club of hippies. Members only type deal.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Yarry]
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I'm a 'regular pubber' and was banned without warning, explanation of why, or an admission by the banning mod, even after a WA&F thread. Some of the mods are just extremely bad at their jobs.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Organic]
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Yea.. i think theres some that need to be taken out of power. and i dont think id like to openly name them in open forums, but im sure the admins have as good an idea as we do

Maybe time for a changing of the guard so to speak?


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Yarry]
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All right, I just want to say one thing. Especially because you post a lot in OTD - i think the recent removal of Prisoner #1 as OTD mod has gone to people's heads, thinking that if they :bitch: enough, mods will be removed from power. What you must understand about the Pub right now is that the admins have authorized a heavy hand in there.

I am not encouraging or denouncing any particular banning/action by any particular mod in this post. I am just making a point.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Im not even necessarily trying to get them removed, and personally didnt care if priz stayed or went.

Im just tired of all the BS bannings coming my way when i see others getting away with worse.

Its so sporadic right now. Keep the same mods for all i care but for the love of god enforce the rules equally amongst everyone.


And for the record OMR, yer the best pubmod since.. well ever. Rock on macafroni


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Yarry]
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yeah

check out this post where mattdopez gets simply banned from the pub, while my original account 'stonedshroom' gets PERMABANNED for joking around with a guy!

I have been a shroomery supporter since at least 1998, althought a server crash reset my (stonedshroom's) reg date to 2000, which is still a long ass time.

I have supported the shroomery many times through the vendors, bought several 'supporter accounts' for myself AND other members, I bought a hoodie, the list goes on and on.

and this is the thanks I get? Permabanned for having a personality?


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: wyldtouch69]
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some people have their own agenda in the pub...its sad to see it goes unrecognized...


well I hope its unrecognized I cant believe the admins would openly support this ego tripping

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
i think the recent removal of Prisoner #1 as OTD mod has gone to people's heads, thinking that if they :bitch: enough, mods will be removed from power. What you must understand about the Pub right now is that the admins have authorized a heavy hand in there.


I don't think anyone is thinking along those lines. Some mods just aren't making wise decisions, before and after this "heavy-handed" approach.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Yarry]
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By the way, you made this post because mattzdope said he was banned from the Pub right?

Well..I think he was joking with you.

Because he's not. We talked about it and no one banned him from the Pub, and forum-specific bans don't work on timers and I just checked and he is NOT banned from the Pub.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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I think one of the problems is people take shit wayyy too seriously.

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: wyldtouch69]
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wyldtouch69 said:
my original account 'stonedshroom' gets PERMABANNED for joking around with a guy!

and this is the thanks I get? Permabanned for having a personality?

Your stonedshroom account received a ONE DAY ban for insult/flames in the Pub. It was perm-banned not because of your Pub action, but because you had two active accounts. As stated in PM, if you would prefer the stonedshroom account, I will switch this one out for you... but the bottom line is we strongly prefer people to use a single account and if we catch you with more than one, the others will be closed without warning.

As for the rest of the users upset with moderation in the Pub - this is not the way to get anything done about it. General disapproval and anger at the moderators will not make any changes. If you truly feel that you have been unjustly treated, you should contact us (using our support form) at the time of your ban to explain exactly why you feel it was not warranted. We will then look into the situation and take action as we deem necessary. But simply calling for the heads of a select few is not going to help your cause.

One should also realize that this heavy-handed moderation is a direct result of a few OTD regulars making it their intention to enter the Pub simply to stir the pot and then go back to OTD to laugh about it. This type of behavior directly undermines the motives for creating the Pub in the first place (which was to have a forum for friendly, civilized, and respectful discussion without the bother of negativity towards one another). If some of our members wouldn't constantly push the buttons of the Pubbers, there wouldn't be a problem. Afterall, that's why we have two off-topic forums, for two different styles of discussion! If people wouldn't play these selfish games, the mod-mood in the Pub would probably lighten up considerably. As it is, we're on the defense to ensure that the Pub maintains a contrast to looseness of OTD.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Yarry]
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One thing I can think of that is further proof of the selectivity of pub mods is the incident involving myself, Learyfan, and HELLA_TIGHT.

When Learyfan accused us of "derailing" his thread, HELLA_TIGHT challenged his accusation, while I chose to apologize.  Regardless, I was banned from the all the forums, whereas HT was only banned from the pub.  Both bannings were a matter of Learyfan's blind love of enforcing his authority, but mine was more severe than HT's (even though my "transgressions" were of a lesser nature) because Learyfan holds a personal grudge against me.

Also, I'd like to point out the futility of this thread.  This issue has been addressed several times to the administration, and the overwhelming response from them has been: "we don't care", and then the thread gets locked.

I know it's because the admins just think of these as threads created by people caught up in the group-think mentality that is so common in OTD, and that it's some kind of game or joke.  But it's really not.

:crankey:

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Burke Dennings]
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The bottom line is that you cannot participate in the Pub in the same manner that you participate in OTD. If you can't tone down your behavior (even if it's boring for you), then don't go posting in the Pub and stick with OTD. There are plenty of people that post in both forums without incident - yet it is the minority that is unable to adjust their posting style for the given forums appropriately, and thus get a rougher ride in terms of moderation. You have to understand that we will take your past actions into account when reviewing current situations. Thus, if you are a user that has been banned multiple times in the past, it is more likely that you will get banned for a smaller infraction, than someone who has not had any run-ins with the rules yet, and who may just get a warning for the same behavior.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: geokills]
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I participate in the pub just fine; go ahead, ask most any pubber. There's hardly anyone I don't get along with in there, except some of the moderators.

Also, I'd like to point out that the supporter tickets don't always get followed up on. I think I've made 3 in the past, and only recieved a response to one.

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: geokills]
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the post I made in the pub was OBVIOUSLY not a post made to "stir the pot"- in fact, it was actually meant to go in the "other Drugs discussion". I mean LOOK at the post, it's asking whether or not xanax would affect a shrooms dose. ODD is RIGHT ABOVE the Pub, and since I have a small moniter my settings are made to kinds squish everything together, plus I was a little altered on xanax and weed. 1/4 inch might as well as been 1/4 centimeter.

Plus the rest of the post I was carrying on normal convo ON TOPIC of the thread. If whoever it was got offed ed they A) should have told me they didn't appreciate it then B) called a psychiatrist for getting their feelings hurt by a little JOKE on the INTERNET.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Well if your support tickets aren't going through you can always email my username @ shroomery.org (thor and ythan have email addresses here too). I'm apologize for singling you out, and though most of the time you may participate just fine in the Pub, you have in the past pushed your behavior too far and action has been taken against you for it. Thus it is no suprise that moderators would be swifter to act if you were even the slightest bit out of line, because you should already know better.

wyldtouch69, I'm not sure what your point is. You had two accounts, regardless of which forum your post was supposed to go into. We don't allow multiple accounts since it can contribute to scamming, trolling, abuse of ratings, and general confusion. We do allow secondary accounts for grow-log and cultivation purposes, but you must contact an administrator prior to its use so that we can designate the permissions to the appropriate forums.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: geokills]
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alright, youve got your ticket. and please dont discount my concern simply because i also post in OTD.

Just because a few guys from there make shit for the mods doesnt mean we all do. And if you look at my pub posts i think the majority are quite articulate and have something to say as compared to my crappy OTD posts.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: geokills]
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"If you truly feel that you have been unjustly treated, you should contact us (using our support form) at the time of your ban to explain exactly why you feel it was not warranted."

how can we contact you through that channel "at the time of the ban" if 1) we're banned from the website and 2) we can't have two accounts?


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: StonedShroom]
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Learyfan said:
I didn't fuck up and her flame was not a joke. The person she flamed hit the "Moderator Notification" button because he took it seriously........banned.


NOT TRUE!!!!

I sent Nashbar a PM apologizing and Nashbar said he didn't hit the notify button!

Learyfan must go.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: StonedShroom]
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StonedShroom said:
"If you truly feel that you have been unjustly treated, you should contact us (using our support form) at the time of your ban to explain exactly why you feel it was not warranted."

how can we contact you through that channel "at the time of the ban" if 1) we're banned from the website and 2) we can't have two accounts?


1) go here http://www.shroomery.org/support/public/ticket_create.php
2) fill in the form.

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Annom]
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If I could lock this thread, I totally would.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: StonedShroom]
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:drama:

:whatever:


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
:drama:

:whatever:


The actions of the pub moderators are a direct result of the attack behavior expressed by a few determined individuals. The average pub mod and pub member just wants to be able to post in peace.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Ripple]
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StonedShroom said:
I sent Nashbar a PM apologizing and Nashbar said he didn't hit the notify button!



I believe I said: "I didn't complain, I just corrected your grammar"

when you use "fucktard" thrice in one post (directed at me, my friends and the people I get drugs from), what do you expect?

I told you I clicked the "report post" button, and all I wrote for a reason was "fucktard"...

The mod thought your post was offensive and banned you...

"should I call the waaaaaabulance?"

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: StonedShroom]
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StonedShroom said:
:bitch:



The truth comes out.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: CherryBom]
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Why are mods partaking and provoking drama by trying to be witty with smileys? Shouldn't you be focusing on cleansing the Pub of these evildoers?


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Organic]
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I <3 a good smiley comment.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: RESTLESS]
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Restless said:
I :heart: a good smiley comment.



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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Shroomism]
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Damn, beat me to it. :grin:


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Lovely.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: RESTLESS]
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:imwithstupid:


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Organic]
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I got banned from the pub for an "indefinite" period for "baiting" which I dind't do and partly because of a post I had made in otd. I didn't even bait anyone I just made a comment that green day sucks and when someone told me to fuck off, I simply clicked the notify moderator button. The person who flamed me was banned only for 24 hours Then I made a post about about what happened in otd because someone made one in the pub about the incident complaining and I wanted to start my own thread about it without stiring up any more drama in the pub. In my thread I admited to clicking the notify mod button.

The mod that banned me said I was baiting which I was not then said I was "tatteling" because I used the notify mod button. If it's tatteling then what in the world is the button there for? I feel like I was unfairly targeted as someone that posts in both forums and goes to the pub just to stir up shit. I do not do that and the majority of my posts have been in the pub. All have been without incident untill now.

I made a supporter ticket yesterday and have yet to get a response. I feel that what happened doesn't warrant a permanant ban from the pub and that I should be allowed back. I am aware that Idefinite doesn't mean permanent but the mod didn't tell me how long or what route to take to be allowed back. The person who I supposedly baited doesn't even have a problem with me so I don't see where anyone was hurt in this.

Thanks much.


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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

Edited by QuantumMeltdown (09/19/05 01:30 PM)

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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I don't understand why people have to get so INVOLVED in this kind of stuff?

If something happens in the Pub and you run over to OTD and make a new thread about it, chances are....you're going to get some kind of administrative backhand. If you can't figure out how things work without being taken by the hand like an infant, we can't help you.

The rules are posted in each individual forum. The moderators are not here to pick on you and bully you and make your experience here at the Shroomery shitty. Beleive it or not, we've put in our time. We actually care about this community and it's future. We're here because WE GIVE A FUCK.

I know, it's really hard to beleive.... but it's true.

It's not us against them. We're all in this together. Fuck.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: CherryBom]
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believe*

:rolleyes:


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: CherryBom]
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CherryBom said:
I don't understand why people have to get so INVOLVED in this kind of stuff?

If something happens in the Pub and you run over to OTD and make a new thread about it, chances are....you're going to get some kind of administrative backhand. If you can't figure out how things work without being taken by the hand like an infant, we can't help you.

The rules are posted in each individual forum. The moderators are not here to pick on you and bully you and make your experience here at the Shroomery shitty. Beleive it or not, we've put in our time. We actually care about this community and it's future. We're here because WE GIVE A FUCK.

I know, it's really hard to beleive.... but it's true.

It's not us against them. We're all in this together. Fuck.


I see posts in otd about happenings in the pub all the time. Thats isn't against the rules that I read. Also baiting is really subjective to someones opinion how can someone say that it was my intent to get someone to lash out at me? When all I was doing is expressing an opinion and not flaming anyone.

I didn't say that the mods weren't here to help or that they were out to get us. I just feel that what had happened doesn't warant an indefinite ban. All I was asking for is a second chance. Not trying to bash any mods.


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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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Mods ARE subjective.

Don't look so surprised... it is our job to look at a thread and make a decision with our evil, subjective, little minds.

Who ever said Mods aren't subjective... or can't be?

If the rules are subjective... and Admins endorse the rules... isn't it a Mod's job to enforce subjective rules?

If you don't like subjective Moderation, don't post in a forum with subjective rules. And don't blame the Mods for doing their job. It is nothing personal.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Mods ARE subjective.

Don't look so surprised... it is our job to look at a thread and make a decision with our evil, subjective, little minds.

Who ever said Mods aren't subjective... or can't be?


So that deserves an indefinite ban? When I have never been banned from any forum in the 4 years I have been here? How does one go about getting a ban lifted? Asking an admin?


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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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Asking an Admin politely, in a support ticket, would be a good start.

A brown nose may help too.

If you were banned from The Pub, you may wish to politely PM a Mod. With Forum bans, people can sometimes just forget to lift them. Site wide bans are lifted automatically... not so with Forum bans.

And be prepared to be told, "No".


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Rose]
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No one. The issue is when subjective decisions are consistenly made based on prejudice and assumptions, and inconsistent 'punishment' is given to members bearing no distinguishable differences in the offense.

It probably doesn't help the us vs them mentality when parties from both sides with no issue or part in the argument pop in with their 2 cents for their team.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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No, he did not say that deserves an indefinite ban. But there will always be incidents where mods and the banned one will not agree, because mods are subjective.

PM a Pub mod or an admin, I'm sure you will get a second chance if you are as clean as you said.

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Asking an Admin politely, and with a support ticket, would be a good start.

A brown nose may help too.


Okay thank you.


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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Organic]
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Organic said:
No one. The issue is when subjective decisions are consistenly made based on prejudice and assumptions


What do you think SUBJECTIVE means?

The Pub rules ARE subjective.

If you don't like it, post in OTD.

Organic said:
It probably doesn't help the us vs them mentality when parties from both sides with no issue or part in the argument pop in with their 2 cents for their team.


Then submit a support ticket, instead of posting in a forum.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: StonedShroom]
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StonedShroom said:
"If you truly feel that you have been unjustly treated, you should contact us (using our support form) at the time of your ban to explain exactly why you feel it was not warranted."

how can we contact you through that channel "at the time of the ban" if 1) we're banned from the website and 2) we can't have two accounts?

Because you do not need to be a member to use the support form. Additionally, and more effective I might add, I did list our email addresses for direct correspondance if it is an urgent matter.


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Re: Pub Modship [Re: Yarry]
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This thread has been closed.

Reason:
Taking CB's advice

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