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 Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... 
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Thompson is an avowed enemy of Timothy Leary?s ?turn on, tune in, drop out? mantra. ?I believed that the thing to do with acid was to eat it and go out and get involved in the public life.? He built steam. ?Leary, that son-of-a-bitch, that fraud... I think he was the most horrible person to come out of all of the ?60s. He advocated his way, which was the Guru way. You had to have a guide, and had to do things in a certain way, be in a room with certain lights, and have a certain high priest leading you. And that would be him, of course. I denounced Leary right from the beginning, even when I didn?t know that he was a working, hired informant for the FBI.?
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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thompson > leary
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
thompson > leary
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: blink]
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You need have the gonzo to go at it Thompson-style.
I think his style is more for me than Leary's. I never meditate or anything on drugs.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
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I can somewhat agree with Thompson. Leary turned on a lot of people though, despite any damage he caused the movement or how condescending his model for a proper psychedelic experience came off
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
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Leary thought drugs were the way to enlightenment. oh please... I've read his take on the Tibetan book of the dead and you're supposed to read it while on LSD. I'd rather meditate sober, you get a lot more out of it. I agree that psychedelic drugs can help you, but they're not going to change you. YOU have to do the hard stuff, not the substances.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: blink]
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blinkidiot said:
It's also true that a lot of people would have nightmare-trips doing what thompson did.
Thompson is fucking badass. I think I'm probably more like him than Leary. I'd wanna drop some acid, get drunk and yell at crowds.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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I love the Tibetan Book of the Dead that him and Alpert wrote. I read it the day before any major trip, and that's as much thought as I give Leary.
Then I have fun.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Phluck]
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#4294958 - 06/14/05 01:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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My spirituality is reserved for soberness, or the occasional mushroom trip. LSD is only for fun.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4294959 - 06/14/05 01:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just like thinking about things.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#4294968 - 06/14/05 01:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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me too, thats why I love mushrooms. LSD just makes me laugh at things.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#4294977 - 06/14/05 02:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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From the vice guide to finding yourself
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4. ACID AND MUSHROOMS
Supposedly, the reason we experiment with these drugs is a self-exploration via some sort of magical mystery tour that will change the way we think about the world forever. Maybe it helped Timothy Leary realize he was a boring and pretentious fag, but all it ever taught me was that my feet are crying. You can do all the acid and shrooms you want, but you?re fucking totaled when you are high so all you?re learning when you trip out is what this fucked up person is like when she?s really stoned and guess what?she is toasted.
My boyfriend once said that when he looked at himself on acid, he realized what he looked like to other people and he still believes that: ?girls don?t like me because I?m handsome. I?m not. They like me like a messy rat guy like Shaggy from Scooby Doo. I wouldn?t have known that if it wasn?t for acid.?
Big whup, Allan.
FINDING-YOURSELF FACTOR: 4, no, 3
Also this, for that matter:
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3. COCAINE
I didn?t used to think of coke as a coming-of- age drug, but if you look at yourself before you did it, and compare that to now, you realize you?re basically a different person; slightly crazier, slightly sluttier, but definitely more found. It?s like this whole Laura Palmer-esque way of feeling badass and classy at the same time. I used to think of it as a scary adult drug and now it?s as irrelevant as a joint or a tequila shot. It is the line you cross into the adult world of drug use.
FINDING-YOURSELF FACTOR: 3.5
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
#4295003 - 06/14/05 02:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I denounced Leary right from the beginning, even when I didn?t know that he was a working, hired informant for the FBI.
That is weird...today i read for the first time that Leary was more or less a puppet for the CIA. The article was saying that they used him to help turn the social activists of the 60's into flower children. Pretty much neutering any activism movement.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Rono]
#4295014 - 06/14/05 02:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never heard that before either, I just think his whole approach to drugs was lame.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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I can't believe you've never heard that before.
Informants = Gay
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Rono]
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Links. I'm interested.
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The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, they're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away, but if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth...
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Rono]
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Sounds plausible. This could also be part of it...
In 1994 it was reported that Leary met with FBI agents and agreed to inform on the Black Panthers in exchange for leniency in his sentencing (Karen Gullo, "1960s guru was FBI informant," Associated Press, July 1, 1999).
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Thompson is fucking badass. I think I'm probably more like him than Leary. I'd wanna drop some acid, get drunk and yell at crowds.
Same here, I was never actually a Leary fan anyway. I agree 100% with Thompson about Leary.
You can't sell peace and love for 3$ a hit....He DID leave a whole generation crippled.
Besides, Im not much of a spiritual person myself.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: bf6]
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Links. I'm interested.
here ya go...
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: TheDudeAbides]
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Besides, Im not much of a spiritual person myself.
I am. IMO he tripped waaaaaay too many times and I think he pretty much fried himself into believing he was jesus.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Like Smallworlds.
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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Besides, Im not much of a spiritual person myself.
I am. IMO he tripped waaaaaay too many times and I think he pretty much fried himself into believing he was jesus.
Indeed. I think once a certain type of person trips too much they slowly unravel and start getting delusions of grandeur. Like Leary and his messiah complex.
I could be wrong though.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: bf6]
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*And MJ
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Rono]
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Rono said:
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bf6 said:
Links. I'm interested.
here ya go...
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Redstorm]
#4295088 - 06/14/05 02:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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*And MJ
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The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, they're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away, but if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth...
bloodflower6
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: bf6]
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We don't need to complain about Leary, we have out own resident messiah here to save us. No matter that he can't type a complete sentence to save his life.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Redstorm]
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: oneducktwoducks]
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Shulgin > Thompson > Leary
IMHO
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: psilotatsic]
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Shulgin? How is he better than Thompson? Thompson was a badass, Shulgin was just a chemist.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Can you imagine not only inventing all these new chemicals but then tested them on yourself with no idea whats goin happen? Dont get my wrong thompson was great but imo shulgin did more for the countercultre
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: psilotatsic]
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make a bunch of RCs?
phhh, i poop on RCs
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Phluck]
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: moosehead]
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make a bunch of RCs?
phhh, i poop on RCs
He is the father of MDMA and many other very fine chemicals not just rc's
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: psilotatsic]
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he didnt invent mdma.
i think shulgins great, he made alot of drugs. but hunter is way cooler, and contributed more to society imo.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: moosehead]
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Im pretty sure he did invent MDMA..
Thompson just wrote a few books..
Either way there both very important!
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: psilotatsic]
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I know, im just being a dick. He synthesized mdma. Drugs get the job done for some people, books get it done for others. Im all about the HTS lifestyle, so thats why I feel hes greater. Shulgin is one of the biggest proponents for the sharing of information on drugs. Which, is pretty neato, but not as much my thing.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: moosehead]
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No, actually he wasn't the first to synthesize MDMA.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: psilotatsic]
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he didn't invent MDMA, he just revived it. I wouldn't compare him to HST though, they were completely different. but I would say
Hofmann > Shulgin
Mckenna > Leary
and I can't think of anyone to compare to HST
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: phalloidin]
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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whatever. he made the form popular today. is taht cool>?
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: moosehead]
#4295373 - 06/14/05 03:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Counter-culture heros" is a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it?
My personal feeling is that there are so many factors involved with the counter-culture that it's very hard to pinpoint an exact problem with lead to it's downfall. Perhaps if meth hadn't gotten so big, perhaps if propaganda didn't get out of control, perhaps if Nixon hadn't targeted activists, perhaps if Leary hadn't proselytized, perhaps, perhaps....
What I can say is that our current culture, at least pop-mainstream culture, is really spinning out of control while many people remain rather in the dark about politics. I dunno where I'm going with this.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Twirling]
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The counter culture was doomed from the start because hippies tend to be stupid.
I feel that our culture today is in many ways better. On the surface we have the fake plastic MTV and FOX news and blah blah.
But thats just the surface. Every day I meet cool people. I think its getting better and better.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Twirling]
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The counter culture had a downfall?
'Counter culture' was really just what youths who had pretentions of revolution called it. It was really just the current strain of youth culture. Like the flappers, or the beatniks, or whoever. Just another gang of kids dancing to music their parents hated, and taking drugs their parents feared.
Some of the most naive and illinformed people politically I've met have been the ones who were convinced they were counterculture rabblerousers.
They're all just a bunch of kids who get off on dissing what's popular.
No, you're not cool because you don't listen to Britney Spears. No, you're not smarter because you don't watch The OC, and no, you're definitely not more informed because you dislike Bush.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Phluck]
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All I am saying is Hunter Thompson WROTE BOOKS...Shulgin made drugs. Very fucking stupid arguing who is more important and what not.
They are both very cool/important in their own fields.
As for Thompson, he just hated the fact that Tim Leary was a pom-pus arrogant asshole who thought that he was some kind of Guru..As a result frying hundreds of his followers brains. Thompson rambled about everyone being a rogue CIA/FBI narc or members of the Third Reich. It's just how he got the point of evil across, it doesn't really mean ANYTHING in my oppinon.
Anyone understand what I'm saying?
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: moosehead]
#4295456 - 06/14/05 04:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hippies is a wide-ranging category with a variety of meanings. Speaking to some ex-hippies, it seems as if you had the "drop-outs" and those just looking to cruise along in life, but then you also had some genuinely intelligent people. Same as any other label.
I think like any ?revolution?, once something starts to pick up, it snowballs and becomes something that it wasn?t originally. Today, whenever there is a ?revolution?, it becomes this ?thing? which people try to adhere to. Ultimately it?s bound to fail because it becomes rather unnatural.
Modern culture is certainly far more vast than the ?hippie? label, so obviously there?s both the good and the bad. I?ve met plenty of really awesome people, as you?re saying, but I also see plenty of really self-centered, short-sighted people. I think things are so accelerated and diverse that the best & worst in humanity have all been accelerated as well. More depends on the individual than anything else, really.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Twirling]
#4295473 - 06/14/05 04:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's an analogy; today's ecology situation has more of both extremes. On the negative side, we use much more oil, consumption is up, and so are landfills. Yet on the other hand, our emissions from factories are drastically improved, we understand more about the ecosystem, we recycle much, much more, and have more alternative energy sources in the works.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: blink]
#4296674 - 06/14/05 08:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"All I am saying is Hunter Thompson WROTE BOOKS...Shulgin made drugs. Very fucking stupid arguing who is more important and what not."
Dude, have you ever heard of or read TiKHAL/PiKHAL? They are tremendously inspiring books.
Shuglin never claimed to be a rebel or hippy. All he wanted to do was legally research the human mind through psychedelic chemicals. He was a scientist who promoted free science, true drug education, and a reasonable approach to how psychedelics can make our world a better place. He didn't philosophize, he didn't bullshit. He was factual and straight forward, and always writes from experiance.
Although, he did have this one chapter where he went on this rant about how the big bang theory is full of shit. He basically said that scientists try to manipulate and change facts to fit this certain model when they should be changing the model to the facts instead. Honestly I don't think he has a whole lot of clout in the big bang matter since he isn't an astro-physicist, but I think the important thing is that he is urging people to question widely accepted scientific models. I suppose this whole thing can be thought of as a parallel to how scientists will manipulate their data from drug experiments to fit the Gov't model of drugs as being harmful.
But anyways, yeah, Leary was a fucking quack who probably did more harm than good. I have always avoided leary's bullshit for the same reason I don't like TOOL. People often think that psychedelics just automatically enlighten them and make them better and more aware than most people when the plain fact of the matter is that they are just as ignorant as everyone else and usually have drug problems on top of it.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: blink]
#4296686 - 06/14/05 08:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"All I am saying is Hunter Thompson WROTE BOOKS...Shulgin made drugs. Very fucking stupid arguing who is more important and what not."
Dude, have you ever heard of or read TiKHAL/PiKHAL? They are tremendously inspiring books.
Shuglin never claimed to be a rebel or hippy. All he wanted to do was legally research the human mind through psychedelic chemicals. He was a scientist who promoted free science, true drug education, and a reasonable approach to how psychedelics can make our world a better place. He really blew up the whole idea of using MDMA and other chemicals in psychotherapy. He didn't philosophize, he didn't bullshit. He was factual and straight forward, and always writes from experiance.
Although, he did have this one chapter where he went on this rant about how the big bang theory is full of shit. He basically said that scientists try to manipulate and change facts to fit this certain model when they should be changing the model to the facts instead. Honestly I don't think he has a whole lot of clout in the big bang matter since he isn't an astro-physicist, but I think the important thing is that he is urging people to question widely accepted scientific models. I suppose this whole thing can be thought of as a parallel to how scientists will manipulate their data from drug experiments to fit the Gov't model of drugs as being harmful.
But anyways, yeah, Leary was a fucking quack who probably did more harm than good. I have always avoided leary's bullshit for the same reason I don't like TOOL. People often think that psychedelics just automatically enlighten them and make them better and more aware than most people when the plain fact of the matter is that they are just as ignorant as everyone else and usually have drug problems on top of it.
As for Thompson vs. Shulgin? Thompson wrote books that were clever and well written, but based on half truths by the very definition of Gonzo journalism. A very important cultural voice, yes. But I think Shulgin has had a greater impact on the scientific community and modern psychedelic culture.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: dr0mni]
#4296702 - 06/14/05 08:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 of the same posts, except you added a paragraph?
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: dr0mni]
#4296708 - 06/14/05 08:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wasn't puttin him down in any way, I had no idea the guy wrote books.
I WAS saying that it's stupid to argue who's cooler, wich alot of people were doing at that moment...It's the complete opposite of what HST was about.
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Ravus just said what I was trying to get across in his last paragraph in the post below this one. I just happened to put it a little more bluntly.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
#4296710 - 06/14/05 08:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hunter was much wiser and realistic than Leary ever could've been. Whether or not Leary was a true informant or just gave a few useless facts about the Black Panthers to the CIA, no one on this forum knows. But his entire way of treating drugs, his outlook on the psychedelic experience, were, in my opinion, ridiculous. It's like he thought of himself as Jesus and taking LSD was eating his skin.
Thompson > Leary
Yet I don't think Thompson can be compared to Shulgin in any way. Shulgin was a chemist who researched many psychedelic drugs; Thompson was a journalist who developed a unique writing style and a way to tell things like they are. Their contributions are so remotely distant, to compare them would be like comparing Aldous Huxley and Albert Hofmann.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#4296785 - 06/14/05 08:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I love the Tibetan Book of the Dead that him and Alpert wrote. I read it the day before any major trip, and that's as much thought as I give Leary.
Then I have fun.
Are you serious?
It was written in the 7th century by tantrika padmasambhava
and its a fucking evil book about how to reincarnate back into this fucked up world. it says stuff like when youd ie you meet your god and they turn into the devil and then you see your parents fucking, and if you realise all this is an illusion you get to be enlightened
Fuck the tibetan book of the dead.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: faslimy]
#4296810 - 06/14/05 09:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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and its a fucking evil book about how to reincarnate back into this fucked up world.
Man, if you ever take a world religions course in school, you're going to shit yourself.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Phluck]
#4305028 - 06/16/05 06:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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"and its a fucking evil book about how to reincarnate back into this fucked up world. it says stuff like when youd ie you meet your god and they turn into the devil and then you see your parents fucking, and if you realise all this is an illusion you get to be enlightened"
What you think that the spiritual path is all happy and good? There are many dark places along the way that we all must go through before we reach our destination.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: dr0mni]
#4305114 - 06/16/05 07:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here are my thoughts on Leary....
I find a lot of his philosophy on the nature of reality, and the introspection to be very inspiring as well freeing. His ideas helped shape my outlook on life in minor ways. But...
it was as if he came across personal revalations and wanted to bring everyone to that same place. Perhaps he was naive to the limits of what drugs can do for the common man, as well as naive to negative effects of drugs. Perhaps this was largely because he was targeted by the government, who created propaganda against LSD which Leary & others knew to be not true. I think the amount of persecution that took place took it's toll on Leary and made him think of himself as a martyr figure. Either way, he attempted to get people to think for themselves and question authority, but sometimes imposed his own type of authority.
But in all honesty, it's really difficult for me to judge simply because I'm looking back at the history and didn't really live it. I think the psychedelic "revolution" made an impact on America in many positive ways, but it also had it's mistakes and failures.
Again, it's hard for me to say just exactly how much the psychedelics inspired America towards the civil rights movement, tolerance, and so forth. I'd really like to have a deeper understanding of it, but it seems as if no matter who you listen to, you're only listening to the idealistic hype, burned out cynisism, or misunderstanding.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Twirling]  1
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just for the record... Thompson > EVERYONE
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Twirling]
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After doing a bit of reading just now on the Wiki Leary article, it's apparent to me that much of his early academic work seemingly had major potential in which he tried to assist people in making changes in their lives. His philosophic endevors were interesting to think about, but when taken as seriously and scientifically as his academic research, it starts to cause a conflict of interest. IMO, it seems as if combining the two was where the problems started.
(and I admit that I don't know how well done his research is, but theoretically I agree with the potential for psychotheruputic benefits of LSD & mushrooms)
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just for the record... Thompson > EVERYONE
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4307737 - 06/17/05 01:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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thompson > leary
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: oneducktwoducks]
#4307756 - 06/17/05 01:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Letto said:
"My own acid-eating experience is limited in terms of total consumption [in 1966], but widely varied as to company and circumstances... and if I had a choice of repeating any one of the half dozen bouts I recall, I would choose one of those Hell's Angels parties in La Honda, complete with all the mad lighting, cops on the road, a Ron Boise sculpture looming out in the woods, and all the big speakers vibrating with Bob Dylan's 'Mr. Tambourine Man.' It was a very electric atmosphere. If the Angels lent a feeling of menace, they also made it more interesting... and far more alive than anything likely to come out of a controlled experiment or a politely brittle gathering of well-educated truth-seekers looking for wisdom in a capsule. Dropping acid with the Angels was an adventure; they were too ignorant to know what to expect, and too wild to care. They just swallowed the stuff and hung on... which is probably just as dangerous as the experts say, but a far, far nuttier trip than sitting in some sterile chamber white a condescending guide and a handful of nervous, would-be hipsters."
Despite all of Leary's ramblings and pseudoscientific theories, Thompson was far more enlightened in his own self-destructive search for action and embracing of the reality of the world. If a figure like Thompson had led the 1960s psychedelic movement, many people would be much less bitter about the bullshit they were fed, and we may have been far more successful (though it was still successful to a certain extent under self-proclaimed gurus like Leary).
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: wharfrat12]
#4307764 - 06/17/05 01:59 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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thompson > leary
To the extreme. Now.. if you were going to say thompson > mckenna
I'd have no fucking clue on which character I like more. I've never actually read thompsons work, I've just thumbed through his stuff. But Mckenna is my favorite!
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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McKenna was one of the most creative individuals I've ever heard. I have no clue if he's right on anything like his Stoned Ape and 2012 theories or is just making it all up, but either way at least he's interesting.
Not to mention, he helped the spread of ayahuasca and rare Amazonian psychedelics to normal people. He's a good guy in the end, even if he did put too much faith into the DMT visuals.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Ravus]
#4307778 - 06/17/05 02:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Towards the end of his life he was all about the aya.
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4307829 - 06/17/05 02:17 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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chocolate > strawberry
but put them together and you have a killer combination!
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Re: Hunter Thompson, avowed enemy of Timothy Leary... [Re: Arp]
#4307906 - 06/17/05 02:28 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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are you talking about some kind of mckenna/thompson hybrid creature? it might just be crazy enough to work.
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