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Locked Thread Policy
    #4279390 -

I feel that anonymous locks are feeding into the lack
of continuity and accountability that is plaguing the
moderation of some forums.

I believe that if a thread is to be locked, that the mod
who has taken the action should post in the thread
with a note indicating the reason why the thread was
locked.

This will keep the confusion and FUD to a minimum
by clearly explaining the reason for the closure as
well as establishing a clear record of lockings for each
moderator.

Surely accountability and clearer communication
can't be a bad thing.


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All I know is The Growery is a place where losers who get banned here go.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4279830 -

afoaf said:
I feel that anonymous locks are feeding into the lack
of continuity and accountability that is plaguing the
moderation of some forums.

I believe that if a thread is to be locked, that the mod
who has taken the action should post in the thread
with a note indicating the reason why the thread was
locked.

This will keep the confusion and FUD to a minimum
by clearly explaining the reason for the closure as
well as establishing a clear record of lockings for each
moderator.

Surely accountability and clearer communication
can't be a bad thing.


if a Mod is too lazy to write down a few lines, he/she should leave the job... IMHO.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Hermes_br]
    #4284652 -

true, it's not a tall task.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4287378 -

I don't know if this version of UBB has or lacks the feature, but a nice feature from many forums I've helped at that I've liked is the moderator/administrator "After posting do..." So in order to lock it, you'd have to post saying "I'm locking this thread because of FOOBAR." and then select "Lock this thread after posting" and voila.


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delta9

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: delta9]
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>I don't know if this version of UBB has or lacks the feature

Lacks, obviously.


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4287555 -

I completely agree. It'd be much more helpful even if the mod just quoted which rule the person broke, or gave a one-sentence explanation. It's extremely annoying when a thread is suddenly locked and you don't know where it went wrong or why.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
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I don't think that's obvious to a non-admin.

just because it's currently not implemented in production
here doesn't mean it's obviously lacking.

I'm sure there's plenty of UBB bells and whistles you guys
have not enabled for general use.


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All I know is The Growery is a place where losers who get banned here go.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
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shutup foafy, ill liock your thread

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4289716 -

>I don't think that's obvious to a non-admin.

You really think we would disable such a feature if it was there just to angry you?

>I'm sure there's plenty of UBB bells and whistles you guys
>have not enabled for general use.

LOL, you should get a trial copy of UBBThreads and check it out.
You will notice that we have ADDED dozens if not hundreds of features here which are not in the standard UBBThreads.
The only worthwhile things that comes with UBBThreads and are not enabled here is:
- attachment upload (we have a custom image upload instead)
- HTML use in posts (for security reasons)


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
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so, why shouldnt mods provide a reason for locking threads?

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Vvellum]
    #4289829 -

If a thread is locked, then because it is against the rules. Most times it is very obvious, to everybody, why. If it is not obvious, read the rules, and you will find out.
The moderators are currently not required to provide a reason, but they of course can if they wish.


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
    #4290158 -

Though it is not required they say something...
Quote:
>I don't think that's obvious to a non-admin.

You really think we would disable such a feature if it was there just to angry you?


This makes me think it would be desired?  Also, having little experience with UBB on the administrative side makes it difficult to guess which features are remiss :wink:

It'd be a pretty simple addition to ensure that they must say something, even a link to the rules (also easily made an auto-response).

I volunteer to code it.



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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: delta9]
    #4290171 -

>This makes me think it would be desired?

By some users, obviously.


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
    #4290640 -

IPB>UBB


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Use the Fucking Reply To Feature You Lazy Pieces of Shit!

afoaf said:
Jim, if you were in my city, I would let you fuck my wife.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
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If it were always obvious why a thread was locked, this thread would not exist.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
    #4290745 -

It is more like: If people cared to READ and FOLLOW the rules, this thread would not exist.


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Jim]
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GratefulJim said:
IPB>UBB


In many things, yes.


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
    #4290767 -

It is more like: If people cared to READ and FOLLOW the rules, this thread would not exist.

That's not always true. I posted a thread in OTD that got me banned yet the only response I received was the coverall "Mods and Admins have the final say!". How can someone know exactly how they broke the rules when there is such an all encompassing "rule" which offers no real direction.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: newuser1492]
    #4290788 -

>I posted a thread in OTD that got me banned yet the only response I received was the
>coverall "Mods and Admins have the final say!".

This is not true.
First you received a warning via PM because you were post whoring in the pub.

Then you were banned with the explanation, I quote:
" Enough shit posts in the pub for you"


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
    #4290814 -

I'm not talking about that incident. I'm talking about an earlier one.

As to that incident.

First you received a warning via PM because you were post whoring in the pub.

May have been a problem with the PM system but I never received a PM.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
    #4291169 -

Anno said:
It is more like: If people cared to READ and FOLLOW the rules, this thread would not exist.


While I agree that people should read and follow the rules
, the rules are often subjectively applied(what might be offensive to one mod may not be to another) making it difficult to follow the rules..
There is no baseline.
If the Mods were to give a reason for a locking/deleting stuff repeat breaking of the rules may be reduced.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4291191 -

Personally I think this is a good idea. I've updated the board so that mods and admins have to enter a reason when closing a thread. Hopefully the clearer communication will be beneficial.

Peace,

-Y

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Ythan]
    #4291194 -

:thumbup:

Thank you, Ythan.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Anno]
    #4291257 -

Heh, Anno you seem like you have some serious mood swings at times :wink:


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Magash's Grain Tek  + Tub-in-Tub Incubator + Magash's PMP + SBP Tek + Dunking = Practically all a newbie grower needs :thumbup:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Ythan]
    #4291274 -

Booyah!

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
    #4291309 -

Redstorm said:
BLAT BLAT!



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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Ythan]
    #4291383 -

Thank you for recognizing the validity of the request
and DOUBLE thank you for implementing the feature.

I don't quite understand why some folks insist on
getting defensive and pissy about what was generally
accepted as a useful and diplomatic feature.


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All I know is The Growery is a place where losers who get banned here go.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4291447 -

afoaf said:
Thank you for recognizing the validity of the request
and DOUBLE thank you for implementing the feature.

I don't quite understand why some folks insist on
getting defensive and pissy about what was generally
accepted as a useful and diplomatic feature.


I totally disagree with this.

You are just making it harder on the Mods!~

WTG bro!~


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
    #4291463 -

Wouldn't you want your government held accountable if they shut down business or arrested people for saying certain things?

A harsh analogy, sure, but you guys are the government here.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #4291477 -

Its just a locked thread, not a budget defecit. :wink:


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #4291478 -

you don't have to put up with pm's from dickhead's when you close a thread.

I do!~

this isn't a democracy!~


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
    #4291485 -

Ah, well, I guess I didn't consider that.


I do have to deal with n00bs asking me for drugs all the time...that's bad enough.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
    #4291488 -

No one is forcing you to be a mod. If you don't think you can handle giving a reason for locking a thread, then :shrug:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
    #4291498 -

True, you wouldn't believe how many PM's we Mods get for Locking threads WITH an explination... or moved threads, with explinations, or bans with explinations.

"Twas nice when we could sometimes lock the DRAMA anonomously... so, now OTD will have more fodder to go witch hunting... heh.


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
    #4291504 -

I don't mind when threads are locked, especially if they are locked for a good reason. While I can't speak for all, or even a majority or OTD, I think a lot of locks are needed and this feature will only help things.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
    #4291507 -

Let the games begin.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
    #4291513 -

Too bad.

With the amount of mysterious and unfounded locks,
deletes and bans that have transpired in various forums
in the past month I don't see why this isn't a good idea.

As was previously mentioned:

1. if people make bullshit follow up threads - respond or delete them
2. if people send you too many PMs - respond or delete them

Either you can be a mod and do the job, or you're just
looking for an M and a free ride.

Buck up and embrace the accountability.


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All I know is The Growery is a place where losers who get banned here go.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4291514 -

:thumbup:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
    #4291522 -

Redstorm said:
No one is forcing you to be a mod. If you don't think you can handle giving a reason for locking a thread, then :shrug:


Do you really want me to step down?

How many mods are in the Mush Cult as much as me?

none!~

Think before you speak bro.

I have always liked you...

but I disagree with you on this one!~


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
    #4291535 -

I don't think it will be too bad, but really... once we add a name and a reason to every lock... the PM's and WA&F threads about so-and-so-Mod playing locking games are sure to begin.

/me sets egg timer


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
    #4291538 -

Of course I don't want you to step dowm.

If you are a mod, you should sccept responsiblities that come with it. I would dare say giving a reason for locking a thread is not too demanding.

I :heart: you Roadkill, and you are probably the best cult. mod we have, but threatening to step down is very unbecoming of you.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4291546 -

afoaf said:
Buck up and embrace the accountability.


I can't remember the last thread I locked w/o posting a reason, but I can understand why it is a helpful tool at times.

Am I accountable or not?

Sometimes an anonomous lock gives off an air of authority individual Mods cannot replicate...

...perhaps it was an Admin who locked it!? Who knows? We better knock it off before the permabans begin!


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
    #4291579 -

Redstorm said:
I :heart: you Roadkill, and you are probably the best cult. mod we have, but threatening to step down is very unbecoming of you.


Thanks bro!~

That means alot coming from you.

:smile:

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from my post in the Mod forum over this issue :

The problem I see happening is this...
Mods get a notification to check a post...they decide to close the thread.
They start getting harrassed over closing the thread from a bunch of hostile members...aka troublemakers.
They start taking hits in their ratings...and get upset.
I personally don't give a rats ass about my ratings...but others might.
The Mod get's tired of getting harrassed and stop's closing threads...and leave's it to someone else to close the thread...and it never gets closed.
Or the Mod get's tired of getting harrassed and quits being a Mod.

just my 2 cents worth.

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willing to lose some quality Mods over this?

I never threatened to leave...I will always follow the guidlines.

If I ever do leave it would be over something alot more important than this.

lolzz

tc


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
    #4291591 -

I completely understand where you're coming from. If anyone should be complaining about this, it should be you. With the amount of threads you have to lock, I think you should be given an exemption from this rule. If a thread is locked in the cult. forum, it is usually obvious why it was locked.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
    #4291595 -

look, I can accept that.

And that would be fine if there wasn't so much bullshit
going on here and there with decent threads being
locked or deleted for no apparent reason.

But there is a LOT of ambiguity out there, despite how
many times Anno harkens to the rules.

Furthermore, if there's no 'locking games' going on, then
we don't have anything to worry about, but with this rule
it will become abundantly clearer when there ARE some
questionable locks/bans/deletes occuring and creates
a much more open framework for recognizing and
remedying the situation.

Do I want to make your life worse, no.

Do I want to make Roadkill's life worse, no.

Do I want mods to step down, hell no.

Should we strive for an open and honest administration, yes.

I would wager than an anonymous lock is more likely
to instigate the type of shit you guys have already
complained about, (ie: mass PMs and followup threads)
than a non-anonymous lock.

At the very least, you know who the active mod is to
take the issue up with and the reasoning gives no
oppotunity for rebuttal in the form of followup threads
if it is a just and reasonable explanation.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4291615 -

afoaf said:
And that would be fine if there wasn't so much bullshit
going on here and there with decent threads being
locked or deleted for no apparent reason.

But there is a LOT of ambiguity out there, despite how
many times Anno harkens to the rules.



I assure you, the inconsistancies are FORUM SPECIFIC.

The social forums would benefit (and cry more) because of this feature.

For Mods of the mushroom, and entheogenic forums, it is a bit more busy work... with little bennefit.


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
    #4291617 -

How 'bout we post the REASON, but the UserName is optional?


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
    #4291662 -

Cervantes said:
How 'bout we post the REASON, but the UserName is optional?


I think if a mod is required to add their username then they're less likely to ban/lock for an ambiguous reason. As mentioned before it adds accountability. When I post I'm responsible for what I say. When a mod/admin locks/bans they should be accountable for their actions thus hopefully creating more uniform moderation.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
    #4291668 -

Quote:
I personally don't give a rats ass about my ratings


Then why are you the only one who's ever given me a reactionary 1-shroom rating?


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Magash's Grain Tek  + Tub-in-Tub Incubator + Magash's PMP + SBP Tek + Dunking = Practically all a newbie grower needs :thumbup:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: newuser1492]
    #4291686 -

Yes, but this is based on the assumption that ALL Mods lock the same ammount of threads. This is simply false. In most Forums, one Mod (or two) will take on the brunt of the locking duties. They will potentially look Nazi-like, in the eyes of the public... especially if the public continues to demand vague and intangable things like, "Accountability" . Yet, they are only doing MORE than their share of the lockings.

I will admit, there is value for this feature in Forums such as OTD and The Pub, which would not run w/o some drama :wink:... but in the Mushroom Forums, this will only bring UNWANTED drama.


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Tao]
    #4291697 -

Tao said:
Quote:
I personally don't give a rats ass about my ratings


Then why are you the only one who's ever given me a reactionary 1-shroom rating?


Because I'm nice.

Here's how you rated me Tao:
Quote:
On further consideration- () by TaoTeChing [10.06.04 04:24pm]

I don't like the way you deal with your mod responsibilities.

edited by Tao on 03.12.05 at 02:17pm


And frankly, I think the reason you offered for my rating was a bit vague and weak. :wink:

If that rating were a locked thread...

Not that I care... :tongue:


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
    #4291699 -

Quote:
Sometimes an anonomous lock gives off an air of authority individual Mods cannot replicate...



You've got a serious superiority complex.


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Magash's Grain Tek  + Tub-in-Tub Incubator + Magash's PMP + SBP Tek + Dunking = Practically all a newbie grower needs :thumbup:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
    #4291700 -

I agree with you entirely. This feature should be reserved for the community forums, and let the mods use discretion in Cult., ODD, etc.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Tao]
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Tao said:
Quote:
I personally don't give a rats ass about my ratings


Then why are you the only one who's ever given me a reactionary 1-shroom rating?


you jumped on the band wagon...during the boxtop crap.

you don't know me at all.

boxtop lied his ass off...I didn't feel like responding to his lies.

so you jumped my shit...thinking that you could get a response out of me.

I only have to answer to one...and that one is God!~

you tried to use little bully tactics on me...and I don't respond to that shit!~

I don't like you...

plain and simple!~

so lets get back on topic...

shall we?


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
    #4291706 -

Yep, you and everyone else I've given a one-shroom did not return it.


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Magash's Grain Tek  + Tub-in-Tub Incubator + Magash's PMP + SBP Tek + Dunking = Practically all a newbie grower needs :thumbup:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
    #4291721 -

Quote:
I didn't feel like responding to his lies.


Yeah, that was the problem. But whatever, I was just pointing out that clearly you do care somewhat about ratings. Everyone pretends they don't but everyone still checks them and makes them.

Quote:
you tried to use little bully tactics on me..


So leaving a one-shroom rating (which I might add, no one had before me so it wasn't some group bandwagaon activity) was a 'bullying tactic'?


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Magash's Grain Tek  + Tub-in-Tub Incubator + Magash's PMP + SBP Tek + Dunking = Practically all a newbie grower needs :thumbup:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Tao]
    #4291730 -

I care about my rates.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Tao]
    #4291731 -

How can I find fault with a Shroomerite who disrespects authority? :wink:


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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:lol:

I find myself liking you more and more everyday.

(Even though you're the only person who's ever banned me before) :wink:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
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You like it when they hurt you.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
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I go back and forth on Mr. Cervantes. For instance, I liked his summing up of the Ziddy situation. In fact I'm changing my rating of him.


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Magash's Grain Tek  + Tub-in-Tub Incubator + Magash's PMP + SBP Tek + Dunking = Practically all a newbie grower needs :thumbup:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
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Those were the days... when did I ban you? Over Swami? I forget...

/me feels a bit guilty for derailing the thread


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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thanks for discussing this with me openly and diplomatically.

your assessment is correct...this sort of fix is largely applicable
to the social forums.

Tao/Roadz: take it outside, guys.


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All I know is The Growery is a place where losers who get banned here go.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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I think it was over Swami. I think I called you a douche or something, and then you warned me. And then I said your warning of me was a "fucking joke".

:lol:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
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afoaf said:
Tao/Roadz: take it outside, guys.



Sorry


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Tao]
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no

what I cared about was people like you judging me...

before knowing the truth.

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I don't give 3 f#ck's in the wind about ratings...

if I did care...

I wouldn't be in here debating this issue.

I'd be quiet and let nature take its course!~

I'm sure I'll take some hits for my views on this matter...

but so be it!~


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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
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That Swami thing SUCKED... you guys had a great case, until you started calling the Mods names (and there were No Admins, but geo around) it was Christmas break and NOBODY was on duty... I was outside my home forum so I couldn't lock the thread... I could only warn and ban. I hope you understand. I banned Whiterasta too that night! Hehehe...

On the bright side, I only gave you a 1 hour ban . The Admins won't let us ban for under 24 now.

Wow Tao... 5 shrooms again! :smile: That looks much better! Should I give you a retaliation rating?


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Roadkill]
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I'ma rate your ass a 1!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111````


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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It's ok, no worries. I had that one coming. I literally was asking for it. Like I said, I hold you in high-esteem among the mods.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Redstorm]
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And I hold you in high esteem among the scum! :smile:


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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:lol:

:heart:

We're not all evil in the basement of the forums.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Tao]
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And to be fair, Roadkill's (private) aliby checks out... he posted it in the Mod forum (he had just been re-modded and wisely, told the Admins and Mods his side of the story), but RK was advised to keep the explination private to minimize drama... and he took a few hits for it.

Boxtop, like Roadkill, is a popular guy, who has helped many Shroomerites. People would have just played favorites (because we LOVE drama!). This didn't seem fair to Roadkill because he had just returned to the community after a long absence, and at the time, many new faces only knew of Boxtop. Roadkill was, once again, the new kid on the block.

Basically the whole situation was like a divorce (only a gay one :tongue:)... ugly, and both sides were pissed at each other.

Sometimes details are best kept private... even though they may set you free. In fact, it seemed this was a part of the reason Boxtop even made this issue public... because it was SOOO ackward for RK to discuss.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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He didn't need to tell his entire side of the story, he could have just popped into the thread and said "Boxtop is lying, but it is a private issue between him and myself and I will not discuss it on a public message board, I'd just like people to know that he's not telling the truth." Surely that would have been a good idea. For him not to even deny the charges came across strikingly as guilt.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Tao]
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Yup it did look bad... but like I said, sometimes there is a VALID reason to keep things private, even if that reason would not be viewed as bad by this community... the Mods understood why it was best kept private INSTANTLY! We also, unanimously believed Roadkill's version of events.

Let's just say in America... we (Cultivation Mods in particular) shouldn't publicly mention all of our past activities... something most Sponsors, community members, cultivation Mods and cultivators understand very well.

Sadly, I still think this is partly why Boxtop brought the issue up in the first place.

I hate it, but I can't say more.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Tao]
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Please keep this ON TOPIC, this is a discussion about locked thread accountability.

Now back to this, the question has been asked if mods could close a thread and leave a reason but not have it say which mod closed the thread.

How is that for comprimise?

It solves the problem of mods being unfairly attacked for doing their job, it also gives the public the reasons as to why the thread was locked.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Thor]
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Great!

:smile:

(back on topic)

(sorry)


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Thor]
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I really think that defeats the purpose of accountability. I believe the name and the reason has to be there for it to be any good.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Thor]
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when a thread gets locked for no apparent reason (to me) and is left unexplained, it kinda upsets me.....especially if its a thread that i was a part of. a brief explanation of which rule was broken, and where in the thread this occured would be awsome. and no, i dont think the mod/admin who did the locking needs to make themselves known, as long as there was an explanation as to why it was locked. if a thread gets locked, its locked....doesnt matter by who. but there are many times i wonder why.


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Thor]
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Now back to this, the question has been asked if mods could close a thread and leave a reason but not have it say which mod closed the thread.


I agree with Cervantes that the locked thread dilemma applies mainly to the lower forums at the very least starting with the Pub. I would say to start from General Questions and go down but that's up to the admin/mods and the community. I don't see anywhere nearly as much discrepancy in the Mushrooms and Mycology forums.

So as a compromise how do the admins/mods and community feel about implementing the new policy (reason for lock AND admin/mod responsible) starting with either General Questions or the Pub?

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: newuser1492]
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if they are gonna do this, they may as well do it for all the forums.....but i still see no need to identify the mod/admin who locked the thread.....just leave an anonymous explanation as to who broke what rule, and leave it at that. its not that hard guys.


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: newuser1492]
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This is beside the point I guess, but I always try to leave an explanation of why I lock a thread anyway. Anyone who has sent me PMs about mod actions knows that I always try to explain my motives as thoroughly as possible. It takes a little longer but I like to let people know why I locked/edited/deleted a thread.

That being said...

Locks in GQ and the other drug forums are usually pretty clear cut, I would say if you're going to implement a system that forces mods to leave a reason, that it should be implemented from the pub down.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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I agree.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Thor]
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Thor said:
Please keep this ON TOPIC, this is a discussion about locked thread accountability.

Now back to this, the question has been asked if mods could close a thread and leave a reason but not have it say which mod closed the thread.

How is that for comprimise?

It solves the problem of mods being unfairly attacked for doing their job, it also gives the public the reasons as to why the thread was locked.


no. mods should leave their names. if they are following the rules, then they should have nothing to worry about. if a member harasses them, then ban them.

like I said in the other thread, if you cant stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. if a moderator is so afraid of some 17 year old dork in OTD, then they should not be moderator.

standing by your actions is a good thing.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
if they are following the rules, then they should have nothing to worry about.


  :thumbup:  :thumbup:  :thumbup:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Vvellum]
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Accountability IS achieved with the explanation.

Any issue people will have will be with the reason why their thread was locked, NOT by whom as depending on who's online it may as well have been any other mod/admin who closed a thread.

If a thread is closed and it is unproper, then it will be brought up in this forum and the admins can investigate the matter.

Thus ACCOUNTABILITY  :grin:

You are naive if you think leaving a name to the locked thread will not create a problem, or you would maybe believe this to be geniunely true if you are a total newbie.

Drama; welcome to the Shroomery  :grin:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Thor]
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But you seem to forget that most of the forums only have like 4 moderators. So, it's not like there is any sort of anonymity that you speak of.

By having moderators put their name next to their actions (like anybody should if they have integrity and are following the rules), this would reduce the amount of flack that everyone would get. The criticism would be direct and to the person in charge. If a moderator cannot speak for their actions, then they should not be moderator.

You seem to think that if you hide moderators' names, that no one will complain - I do not see this.

I just think people in authority should have some balls and own up to their actions. I see no reason for keeping it all a secret.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
I just think people in authority should have some balls and own up to their actions.


How 'bout our lovely female Mods?


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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They should grow some!


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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clearly, all moderators should be male. duh.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Vvellum]
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Are you sure you're not thinking of Matadors?

So, locked threads...


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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Now that mods DO have to give a reason when locking/moving a thread, why is this thread still active? :confused: :rolleyes: :tongue: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :tongue2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: fufungi]
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The Admins are still fishing for feedback...


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Rose]
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Feedback:

By giving a reason for the locked thread, you provide an example of what is unacceptable that may not be as clearly apparent from a reading of the rules.

A picture (reason) is worth a thousand words.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Diploid]
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PLEASE GO TO MUSHROOM CULTIVATION
NOW WHY IS REAITIVE HUMIDITY LOCKED IF YOUR MODS WERE JUST AS SMART WITH THE PERSON WHO POSTED

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: dieslow]
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No one ever said the mods here are smart....

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dieslow said:
PLEASE GO TO MUSHROOM CULTIVATION
NOW WHY IS REAITIVE HUMIDITY LOCKED IF YOUR MODS WERE JUST AS SMART WITH THE PERSON WHO POSTED


PM Material, when your account is unbanned in an few hours you can ask the mod who locked your thread, you cannot make puppets to get around bans though.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
But you seem to forget that most of the forums only have like 4 moderators. So, it's not like there is any sort of anonymity that you speak of.

By having moderators put their name next to their actions (like anybody should if they have integrity and are following the rules), this would reduce the amount of flack that everyone would get. The criticism would be direct and to the person in charge. If a moderator cannot speak for their actions, then they should not be moderator.

You seem to think that if you hide moderators' names, that no one will complain - I do not see this.

I just think people in authority should have some balls and own up to their actions. I see no reason for keeping it all a secret.


No no no. I don't think it will lessen complaints, I think it will bring the complaints to this forum for the Admins to look at.. We are the ones who have to monitor our mods and users.. So if a mod is locking inappropriately the next step is to let us know in this forum.

We can find out what mod is inappropriately closing threads and then deal with them.

Its not a secret who's locking, its that mod #1,#2,#3 of the forum would ALL be taking the same action so to single out one of those as the problem is silly. If the 'reason' is the problem then like I've said you bring it up with the admins in this forum and we can discuss it with the forum mods.

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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: afoaf]
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This thread has been closed.

Reason:
Mods now have to give reasons to lock threads.

Topic is closed.


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: Thor]
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This thread has been opened.

Reason:
I picked the lock :smile:


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Re: Locked Thread Policy [Re: dieslow]
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dieslow said:
PLEASE GO TO MUSHROOM CULTIVATION
NOW WHY IS REAITIVE HUMIDITY LOCKED IF YOUR MODS WERE JUST AS SMART WITH THE PERSON WHO POSTED


I was trying to be helpful to you.

I don't know if you are computer literate or not.

I wasn't being a smart ass.

There is no reason to use Cap locks on purpose.

You were a smart ass with me...so I banned you for 24 hours and locked your post.

If you continue to be a smart ass with me...I'll ban you again!~

Take a chill pill...and act like an Adult.

and stop sending me private messages!~


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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

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