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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Silversoul]
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No, they don't and you know it. Pictures of three different retards posing over the same dead body does not constitute evidence of anything regarding murder committed at A-G, now does it?


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: zappaisgod]
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Ya, I'm sure he just fell down some stairs.


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Silversoul]
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I sincerely hope that you are never put in a position of law enforcement, especially as an attorney or judge.


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Silversoul]
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To give zappaisgod some credit,

He could post pictures of people decapitating CARE workers but i don't think he would stoop to that level and infer that all muslims are responsible.

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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
No, they don't and you know it. Pictures of three different retards posing over the same dead body does not constitute evidence of anything regarding murder committed at A-G, now does it?


I'll guarantee you that Abu Ghraib was fuel to the fire for the insurgents. The pictures from Abu Ghraib gave the terrorists and insurgents a lot of recruitment material as well. These pictures were, to them, proof that America doesn't really have the people of Iraq in their best interests.







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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: zappaisgod]
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The guy's name is Manadel al-Jamadi. He died during interrogation, during which he was suspended from a barred window by his wrists, which were bound behind his back. Look it up.

Damn it feels good to be right.


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Silversoul]
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Right about what?


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: zappaisgod]
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Did you bother looking it up?


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Silversoul]
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Yep. Quite a few places. Lots of different reports.
You still haven't answered my question. Right about what?


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: zappaisgod]
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Right about that guy dying in interrogation.


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Silversoul]
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Ah yes. Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib. Odd how no one ever mentions what Abu Ghraib was like when Saddam was running the place.

Let's get back on topic -- Newsweek's disgraceful pretense at practicing "journalism". There are only about seventy-five Abu Ghraib threads that could be bumped if we want to derail in that direction.



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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Silversoul]
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I didn't know that that was the question and one of the reports I saw say he died as a result of wounds received that were concealed because of the hood. Regardless, that is not the point of this particular thread nor was it the point, I believe, of Soopax's question. Did you notice at any point in your investigation what he was detained for?

This thread is about journalistic fuckups. Like the Rather "fake but true" memo. They ran with a story on sketchy grounds because they wanted to believe it. This is a continuing problem and they refuse to acknowledge the causes, one of which is their over dependance on quoting anonymous sources. I ask this, to get back on topic. "Should the identity of this source be revealed since his info was shit?" I say that if you're not willing to take responsibility you should shut the fuck up.


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: zappaisgod]
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For every black eye and man in women's underwear at Abhu Graib there are dozens of Margeret Hassan's and Nick Berg's with their heads sawed off, and even more innocent Iraqis blow to bits by the insurgents. This lopsided fixation on Abhu Graihb seems pretty silly. Actually no, if you want to be consistently anti-US and want to put rigid politics over principle, it makes perfect sense.


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Ah yes. Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib. Odd how no one ever mentions what Abu Ghraib was like when Saddam was running the place.

Let's get back on topic -- Newsweek's disgraceful pretense at practicing "journalism". There are only about seventy-five Abu Ghraib threads that could be bumped if we want to derail in that direction.



Phred


It's nice that these people were freed from a brutal dictator, but it's not worth the United States stretching it's military paper thin, spending billions upon billions, loosing troops, loosing it's people's trust, killing 100,000 civilians(so far), pissing off the world, and deverting our attention away from real threats in this post-911 world.







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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Learyfan]
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And your thoughtful interjection has relevance to Newsweek's malfeasance how, exactly?


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Phred]
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Ok, quick survey: Is there anyone here who doesn't think that what Newsweek did was irresponsible?


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: zappaisgod]
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I see no way to FORCE newsweek to do it. Are you suggesting government action, Zap?

It ain't gonna happen from public outcry as this shit is a daily occurance--if you read any newspaper on any given day I can assure you an anomynous source is cited somewhere. The problem is the media industry is too entrenched and is no longer part of a market (I do actually believe in market forces for the most part) but a consolidated oligarchy that has its fingers in our governemnt. This kind of stuff doesn't affect their ad sales (and therefore their bottom line) because they have no real competition when they lose credibility.

I would like to kick this source's ass just as much as I'd like to shove a hockey stick up Chalabi's ass(CIA 'source' or 'political opportunist' for Iraqi WMD)


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: zappaisgod]
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Newsweek is biased like the rest of the media elite [Dick Morris]
The Hill ^ | May 18, 2005 | Dick Morris





The Newsweek magazine story falsely reporting desecration of the Koran by American military interrogators in Guantanamo, Cuba, where terror suspects are being held, is the fourth major false report printed or aired by a highly respected arm of the Anglo-American journalistic establishment in the past year.

Each of those inaccurate stories has roiled the political waters and threatened to inflict colossal damage on either President Bush or British Prime Minister Tony Blair and on American and British efforts to defeat terrorists and the regime of Saddam Hussein.

It is high time that the American people got the point: The organs of establishment journalism are slanted and biased toward the left and disregard the standards of fair and accurate reporting, with impunity, when an election is on the line.

The list of false stories is telling:

? In the spring of 2004, the BBC reported that Blair had ordered his intelligence people to ?sex up? reports of the Iraqi program to make weapons of mass destruction. For months, Blair was on the defensive because of the report, and the intelligence operative who was the alleged source of the story committed suicide.

It took a parliamentary commission to debunk the story and to force a BBC retraction. The ongoing damage to Blair?s credibility likely helped to account for his marginal showing in the most recent U.K. election.

? In September 2004, CBS News? ?60 Minutes? television program used forged and phony documents to try to besmirch Bush?s record in the Texas National Guard. It was only the careless error of the forger in printing the suffix ?th? above the line that led to the truth.

? In the week before the election, The New York Times, the citadel of journalistic accuracy, ran a front-page story alleging that 370 tons of explosives had disappeared from an Iraqi storage site during the American occupation. The implication was that the carelessness of the Bush administration had put into the hands of the insurgent terrorists the very weapons now being used to kill our troops. But the Pentagon soon established that the weapons either had been removed early in the U.S. occupation or had never been there when our troops arrived. The Times story led John Kerry to change his TV ads and focus his endgame campaign on the allegation.

? And now Newsweek has published an inflammatory story that has led to massive anti-American demonstrations in Afghanistan ? the first since the war ? protesting the seeming defilement of sacred texts. Sixteen people are dead because Newsweek got the story wrong, and the image of the United States is damaged in the Islamic world. And Newsweek refuses to hold anyone to account for this outrageous error, least of all its own senior management.

Each of those ?mistakes? was biased in favor of the left and was committed in the haste of liberal journalists to get some ammunition to discredit Bush and the Iraq war. But when the same reporter who wrote the current story filed the first disclosure of the Monica Lewinsky affair with his editors at Newsweek, the magazine piously refused to run the story.

In fact, in all the years of the Clinton presidency, I cannot recall a single instance of a similarly inaccurate high-profile story attacking the Democratic president.

Each of the scandal allegations ultimately proved to capture the Clintons in some sort of ethical violation. The sole exception that comes to mind is the FBI-file story, but, even there, the journalist reports that the files had been available to the White House staff were accurate.

But when a Republican president is waging a war of which the left does not approve, a different journalistic standard appears to apply.

The media need to examine their own bias and correct it, lest still more readers and viewers turn away in the face of their obvious manipulation of public opinion.


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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: lonestar2004]
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http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin051805.php3

It?s not just Newsweek
By Michelle Malkin

If you want to hear an earful, ask an American soldier how he feels about our news media. You will invariably hear an outpouring of dismay and outrage over antagonistic and reckless reporting. I have stacks of letters and e-mails from soldiers and their families sharing those frustrations. During the Vietnam War, such sentiments would get packed away; private hurts to be silently borne for decades.

But today the Internet has allowed soldiers on the front to disseminate their viewsbreaking through the media's entrenched anti-military bias? in unprecedented ways. In the wake of Newsweek's publication of its unsourced, mayhem-inducing, and now-retracted item about Koran desecration by U.S. military interrogators at Guantanamo Bay, a sergeant in Saudi Arabia immediately responded on a blog called The Anchoress (theanchoressonline.com):

"I have placed my life and the life of my fellow soldiers in danger in order to achieve a measure of the freedoms we enjoy at home for the Iraqi and Afghani people. As soldiers, we all understand that we may be asked to participate in wars (actions) that we (or our countrymen) don't agree with. The irresponsible journalism being practiced by organizations such as Newsweek, however, [is] just inexcusable. At this point, because of their actions and failure to follow up on a claim of that magnitude, they've set the process back in Afghanistan immensely?

"I don't regret serving my country, not one bit, but to have everything I'm doing here undermined by irresponsible journalists leaves me disgusted and disappointed."


Military bloggers across the Web this week echoed the sergeant's disgust with American journalism. And it's not just Newsweek.

It's the New York Times and CBS News and the overkill over abuses at Abu Ghraib prison. It's the Boston Globe publishing porn photos passed off by an anti-war city counselor as proof that American G.I.'s were raping Iraqi women.

It's the constant editorial drumbeat of "quagmire, quagmire, quagmire."

It's the mainstream media's bogus reporting on the military's failure to stop purported "massive" looting of Iraqi antiquities.

It's the hyping of stories like the military's purported failure to stop looting of explosives al Qaa Qaa right before the 2004 presidential election stories that have since dropped off the face of the earth.

It's the persistent use of euphemisms "insurgents," "hostage-takers," "activists," "militants," "fighters" to describe the terrorist head-choppers and suicide bombers trying to kill American soldiers and civilians alike. It's the knee-jerk caricature of American generals as intolerant anachronisms. It's the portrayal of honest mistakes in battle as premeditated murders.

It's the propagandistic rumor-mongering spread by sympathizers of Italy's Giuliana Sgrena and former CNN executive Eason Jordan about American soldiers targeting and/or murdering journalists.

It's the glorification of military deserters, who bask in the glow of unquestioning and largely uncorroborated print and broadcast profiles.

And it's the lesser-known insults, too, such as the fraudulent manipulation of Marine recruits by Harper's magazine. In March, the liberal publication plastered a photo of seven recruits at Parris Island, S.C., under the headline, "AWOL in America: When Desertion Is the Only Option." None of the recruits is a deserter. When some expressed outrage over the deception, the magazine initially shrugged.

"We are decorating pages," sniffed Giulia Melucci, the magazine's vice president for public relations to the St. Petersburg Times.

As Ralph Hansen, associate professor of journalism at West Virginia University and a rare member of academia with his head screwed on straight, observed: "Portraying honorable soldiers as deserters is clearly inappropriate. And I don't see any way Harper's could claim that they weren't portraying the young Marines as deserters. A cover is more than just art. I think that someone had a great idea for a cover illustration and forgot that he or she was dealing with images of real people."

The members of our military are more than just an expedient means to a titillating magazine cover or juicy scoop or Peabody Award. Too often since the "War on Terror" was declared, eager Bush-bashing journalists have forgotten that the troops are real people who face real threats and real bloodshed as a consequence of loose lips and keyboards.

It's not just Newsweek that needs to learn that lesson.







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Re: Newsweek disavows Koran desecration report that led to riots [Re: Phred]
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What Newsweek did was completely irresponsible, and should suffer huge consequences for it.

Though the US government can not use prior restraint to control speech or published items, they CAN punish for speech that leads to "immediate lawless action" afterwards.

Those editors and writers should be fired, the anonymous source should be fired, and Newsweek should have a pay a HUGE fine for contributing to acts of violence, regardles of whether or not they thought it would turn out like it did.

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