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 Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents...  [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#4237727 - 05/30/05 06:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you're saying it's ok to kill children to make yourself safer?
I'll reply when you make a better question, or seriously clarify this one.
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: looner2]
#4238538 - 05/30/05 11:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You said it wasn't worth shedding the blood of a single American soldier to bring FreedomocracyTM to the middle east.
What do you think soldiers ar for anyway?
Is it worth shedding the blood of an innocent Iraqi to make America a little safer from a hypothetical threat?
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#4240550 - 05/31/05 03:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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At the risk of bringing this even more off topic than it is already, I watched Hotel Rwanda last night.
Those who ask the "Is it worth the life of an Iraqi child" kinda questions are those who believe the Rwandans and Sudanese and Kosovars and Tibetans and Ivory Coasters and Haitians and yes -- Iraqis -- are on their own. Not our problem. "Sucks to be you, Mrs. Tutsi, but hey.... not my problem. Hope that machete-chopping deal works itself out eventually."
Note that I don't necessarily condemn this attitude, just point out that if you're gonna use the "life of one Iraqi child" objection it covers an awful lot of ground.
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: Phred]
#4241110 - 05/31/05 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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to do something out of fear/cowardace, and try to pass it off as heroism is just about the douchiest thing you can do.
And that is America in a nutshell.
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#4241652 - 05/31/05 08:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You said it wasn't worth shedding the blood of a single American soldier to bring FreedomocracyTM to the middle east.
Correct.
What do you think soldiers ar for anyway?
What do you think they are for? They are for defending our country, basically.
Is it worth shedding the blood of an innocent Iraqi to make America a little safer from a hypothetical threat?
Geez, what the hell are you talking about? Who is talking about babies? If this is a lame attempt to get me to bite on a silly point so you can pounce, count me out. You'll have to connect the dots, because I won't for you.
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#4243191 - 06/01/05 06:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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to do something out of fear/cowardace, and try to pass it off as heroism is just about the douchiest thing you can do.
Do you believe things are only ever done for a single reason? If so, why?
Clearly you find it unacceptable that non-combatant Iraqis have been killed in Iraq since March 19 of 2003. Would you have found their deaths unacceptable had the coalition's invasion of Iraq been given the UN's seal of approval as as the case in Afghanistan? If not, why not?
Let's pretend for a minute that the reports were actually factual and that at some point in time an American somewhere really had flushed a Koran down a toilet. Which is worse -- the act of illustrating contempt for a religious symbol or the act of murdering people who had absolutely nothing to do with the desecration?
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: Seuss]
#4243216 - 06/01/05 06:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well... since the Muslim world seems to want to play on a level playing field perhaps we should simply behead everybody at GBay, post the murders on the internet, shut down the prison, and with great honor and respect return the copies of the Koran that have caused all these hurt feelings.
'The Muslim World' - Insurgents and terrorists commit atrocities against Westerners etc....not official Muslim institutions, not any official Muslim governments; in fact most of those are in the US pocket.
The US government is an official organisation with self appointed standards as well as internationally agred standards.....or is it a terrorist group?
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: Phred]
#4243226 - 06/01/05 06:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Let's pretend for a minute that the reports were actually factual and that at some point in time an American somewhere really had flushed a Koran down a toilet. Which is worse -- the act of illustrating contempt for a religious symbol or the act of murdering people who had absolutely nothing to do with the desecration?
This is missing the point - In this case you present, if the Koran didn't go down the toilet people would not have been killed. In other words putting the Koran down the toilet was the trigger. Of course the loss of human life seems a far greater crime to any humanitarian....but the act of responsibly in carrying out ones duty would have avoided that, if the root cause was some poor excuse for a soldier with no self control or discipline throwing the Koran down a toilet.
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: CJay]
#4243921 - 06/01/05 11:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, the trigger wasn't flushing the Koran down the toilet. The trigger was the indoctrination by radical Islamists that mistreatment of a book is to be avenged by murdering random individuals -- of your own religion, no less.
This would be analogous to a group of Americans in Future Shop's TV section watching a news report of some protest in France where the French were burning an American flag -- no, wait... not even seeing the footage of the actual burning; just having the anchorman claim that a Frenchman had burned a flag at some point in the last couple of years -- and that group of people then running out of the Future Shop to their cars, driving into the downtown area, and beating to death random shoppers.
Despite the repeated snickers in this forum at the American "Fundamentalist Christian Crazies", I seriously doubt anyone can imagine such an event occurring.
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Re: Pentagon confirms Koran incidents... [Re: Phred]
#4248015 - 06/02/05 12:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fair call
However, knowing how their cultural indoctrination makes them react when their most holy of things is mistreated, one has to work with that. Not just say 'Its just a fuckin book' because to them it is not. The symbol is the thing to them, whilst most Americans appreciate that their flag is just a symbol....I know you can say they burn our flag (or the French do) so we desecrate their book, but no one will ever get anywhere that way....the USA is about not doing it that way. Or at least was founded on the precept - secularisation demands it.
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