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 talking about life during trips/rolls 
#413094 - 10/03/01 11:16 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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i am not a very spiritual tripper, and I don't do it to get fucked up, either. I've noticed that when I first started tripping, I WAS doing it to get fucked up. I was like most newbies, I just wanted strong visuals and a mindfuck that would knock me off my ass and a good time. Though obviously I do enjoy trips like this, I have found a different perspective on tripping that I notice at the peak, usually. When I trip or roll, I almost always start talking about my life and what's going on in it, friendships, school family, etc. For some reason it all just flows out of me, and I have found that the best trips/rolls I have had were spent talking about life, what I can do it make it better, etc. It is never mindless talk either, it is all actually true and I feel a big energy in me, a nice glowing energy, when I speak about whatever is going on. My friends seem to look more toward the "getting fucked-up" aspect of tripping, and though if they like it for that reason its cool with me, i just can't really deal with it anymore. it feels childish to play with such strong substances just to get fucked up. on my last roll on saturday, my friend and I were walking around for a lot of it, talking about what's going on with us. unfortunately most of the negative seems to come out, but we both felt so much better after the talk. i think the potential of psychedelics in dealing with your life is absolutely incredible. now i can finally see why such drugs could be used in therapy, they just bring out so much and can do so much for your life ... my good friend became a vegan the first time he shroomed way back when, and has been a vegan till this day. i, myself, have discovered so much about my life and life in general that i most likely would have never thought about before taking these experiences. now i truly know why i always had bad trips for the first few times i did shrooms: I looked at it for the totally wrong reason. instead of a tool to enhance myself, i tried using it just for a hell of a time, and thus, was punished. i feel so much stronger now that I have found my personal niche in tripping and life.
<---glad he opened the doors of perception
as a side note, on the topic, I sometimes feel during a trip that the mushroom is a "spell-checker," going through each problem in my life, looking over all the information, and then solving it or attempting to correct it. anyone else feel similar?
It must be hard to trip if you anthropomorphize your shrooms.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: HB]
#413749 - 10/04/01 02:24 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is exactly what i love about tripping and i don't like it when people use these substances for just getting "fucked up" i have noticed with mushrooms that every now and then they kinda test you to see if you are worthy of their knowledge the only way i know how to explain it is when you just get so far out there that it is more like enduring than enjoying. This is when the people that just wanna get fucked freak out and a lot don't wanna do it again. On these trips i think you grow emensely if you are using for the right reasons.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: HB]
#413848 - 10/04/01 04:10 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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i've never had a bad trip on shrooms and i honestly don't believe that i could. and yes, about talkin about life - i do that too... last time i tripped during the summer with a bunch of friends we spent hours just sitting and talking about everything that's goin on in our lives, the world, society, etc... shrooms are an excellent way to open your mind up to an objective view of everything in the world (including yourself). i guess i can't really put it into words, but those of you who've been there know what i'm talking about. it's a great feeling of "one-ness" with the world that we live in.
i've never tried x before, but i may at monster massive this year in L.A. Two of the guys who were there that day during summer will be there again at massive. to be quite honest though, all the shit i've read on mdma (and believe me, i've read a lot) makes me think that it may not be too good of an idea to roll. so what i'm asking is directed towards the current x users: can you notice any change in your emotional being or in the way your brain processes things... memory, mathematics, etc..? i don't want to do something that may make me incredibly happy for a limited time but fuck me up for an unlimited time  .
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: geokills]
#413907 - 10/04/01 04:52 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Only done it three times over three years, never felt it fucked me up in any permanent way. The next day I always wake up sore(esp my jaw) but in a good mood(I mean it's not the synthetic "bliss" of the night before, but who'd want that all the time). Of course I know lots of people who take massive doses all the time, and they don't seem to be able to be "happy" unless they're under the influence of something. Everything in moderation.
As for the current question of talking about life etc. during trips/rolls I only do this if people around me are. I ussually clam up and don't say anything if they're just doing it to be fucked up. In other words, I just focus on what I want to think about if that's why they're doing it. No drug can give you any answers, although I find it easier to listen and be swayed by others opinions in this state. Probably because we're in a similiar state.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: geokills]
#413923 - 10/04/01 05:02 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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X is very controversial on how it affects you, emotionally and physically. luckily, I am one of the lucky few who doesn't get depressed after the roll comes down, and oddly enough, I am HAPPIER for many days after the roll, just in general, without a need to do it again soon. but then again i am lucky, i know that it is true that many users need it to be happy. which brings me to my next point, only do X if you are already content with your sober life. if not then you will become a very frequent unhappy roller. as said before, moderation.
as for memory etc., my mind is still exactly the same way it has always been, or at least noticably i have found no effects. I am damn near a straight-A student now, just doing X and whatever psychedelic I can get my hands on for the weekend, with no problem functioning at school. I have lost no motivation to do anything, or any of the cliche druggie characteristics, you will only become like that if you let yourself become like that (thats how i used to be)
just make sure you are already happy before you roll and that you know the source is trustable
It must be hard to trip if you anthropomorphize your shrooms.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: HB]
#414051 - 10/04/01 07:16 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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you say that you dont do it for spirituality but you do it to find more things out about yourself and "open the doors of perception" and talking about life..that to me is spirituality in a basic form..i had the same problems with bad trips..i to found my niche..
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feel the rhythm, to feel connected
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to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: My Third Eye]
#414070 - 10/04/01 07:28 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya i dunno, I usually think of spirituality more in terms of religion which is why i dont relate it to trippin much
It must be hard to trip if you anthropomorphize your shrooms.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: My Third Eye]
#415391 - 10/06/01 12:40 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree; i think of talking about life as a spirtual use while tripping.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: Rashiki]
#415673 - 10/06/01 09:49 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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spirituality has nothing to do with religion..it can if you incorporate.i think of religion as a group of people with the same beliefs..they are followers..but i am not one of those..i dig spirituality though.spirituality has more to do with yourself than a god..
I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected
enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
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suddenly a flaming stealth banana split the sky
like one would hope but never really expect
to see in a place like this.
Cutting right angle donuts on a dime
and stopping right at my Birkenstocks,
and me yelping...Holy fucking shit!
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: My Third Eye]
#416020 - 10/06/01 05:20 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Amen
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: Anonymous]
#416499 - 10/07/01 04:35 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have always talked about my life and life in general with all psychadelics I have used. It helps me orgainze my life.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: geokills]
#420087 - 10/09/01 07:47 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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These days when I roll I usually sit around a friends house with really good friends, watch somebody spin, and talk for huors about eveything, life included. i think x is something you should share with your closest friends.
One thing I don't like about rolls is that they do fuck with your emotions/ perceptions of others. they can make you think people are your friends when they aren't. Some people I know have a bad couple of days after they roll, but I never have. I used to always candyfilp or eat shrooms, and when I woke up the next day, would feel great. However, I don't roll anymore, it's a waste of money. I had a high tolerance and one day ate like 7 rolls and did some 2ct7 and nitrous and had a pretty wild time. Haven't done any drugs since that, it was like chemical overload for my mind & body. Could hardly walk or talk.
I don't think x has any long term effects, I recently went back to college after a long break, and am doing great, pretty much straight A's. I don't smoke herb anymore though, I think that has something to do with it
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: bobbydigital]
#420209 - 10/09/01 09:37 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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reply to: I don't think x has any long term effects
actually, i believe there is a neurotoxicity problem... after all your serotonin is depleted, dopamine gets transferred from the synapse to the axon via the uptake receptors and the substance is toxic to the neuron's axon... but aparently if you take some prozac up to 6 hrs after takin the x, the prozac will bind to the uptake receptors which won't allow the dopamine back in the axon... animal tests confirmed that no neurotoxicity or damage was present in rats when given the prozac up to 6 hrs after the x! that sounds pretty fuckin awesome... if i get me hands on some prozac then i'm thinkin i'm rollin  they talk about the study on www.dancesafe.org
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: geokills]
#420261 - 10/09/01 10:22 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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u make it out to be a bigger deal than it is --
After rolling (sometimes up to a full week after) I become EXTREMELY content with the world and the same night as well, I didn't get depressed as many say they do. No need for prozac or anything, I just become quite happy natually. Don't stress about becoming depressed or you WILL become depressed its as simple as that
It must be hard to trip if you anthropomorphize your shrooms.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: MokshaMan]
#420484 - 10/10/01 05:36 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's good to see people getting smarter through these experiences, instead of the alternative which is damage and death. I'm an addictions specialist (among other things) in South Florida, and in Miami last year there were 13 deaths attributed to Ecstasy. Some of the stuff wasn't X, but we have this video of the 'poster boy' for convulsive overdose and death. He took 5 tabs. Death on X is like a cocaine OD, and can result in a 'bleed out,' preceded by convulsions. At temperatures of 105-106 degrees, blood vessels rupture throughout the body, and hemorraging occurs through eyes, ears, nose, mouth, anus and vagina. Taking more than 1 tab of any street dose is motivated by greed for intoxication (and toxic one shall become), veiled suicidal ideation, recklessness, or mere stupidity (lots of that going around).
I've seen dynamite and blasting caps used professionally, but I wouldn't want to see those things in the hands of children or fools. I wish X hadn't been rescheduled like acid - it has incredible therapeutic potential.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: HB]
#420968 - 10/10/01 03:23 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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reply to: Don't stress about becoming depressed or you WILL become depressed its as simple as that
i guess i didn't really make myself clear in my last post... my point was not that i was worried about becoming depressed at all, i was concerned with the neurotoxicity effect that could possible damage my neurons in my cabeza ... i really wasn't worried about the whole depression aspect - the prozac wasn't to make me happier, it was to block the uptake receptors in the synapse which would prevent the uptake of serotonin and dopamine which could otherwise damage the axon if they were taken back up. and of course, i don't have any first hand experience with this drug, so i really wasn't trying to judge whether or not i'd get depressed 
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: geokills]
#420976 - 10/10/01 03:33 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you dont do mdma more than once a month you shouldnt really have a proble. Ive rolled a few times and I havent noticed any permanent after affects. However I was very tired the next day and spent the whole day resting. Mdma works by altering your seratonin levels. It takes about a month for these levels to go back up to their previous state. However if you roll too often your seratonin levels will not have time to go back up to their original ammount and this could effect you mentally. Since the seratonin levels are damaged it might cause you to be depressed or cause a few other feelings. But in moderation ecstacy isnt bad. Im also talking about clean pure mdma. Most ecstacy on the street is not pure. Ask some people over at www.bluelight.nu. They should be able to answer any questions you have.
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Re: talking about life during trips/rolls [Re: Rashiki]
#423169 - 10/12/01 12:04 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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i take mushrooms to learn things about myself that i otherwise wouldnt think of. and of course to listen to music. i do end up talking about life in almost any mushroom trip i have however. its a great way to look at things objectively as someone else pointed out i think.
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