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OfflineSWEDEN
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Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl
    #4120599 - 05/01/05 09:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Belgian doctors sent an Iraqi girl home Thursday after treating her for leg wounds caused by a bomb during the U.S. invasion -- and sent the 51,570 euro ($66,650) bill to the U.S. embassy.

"We haven't heard from them yet," said Bert De Belder, coordinator of the humanitarian agency Medical Aid for Third World which brought the girl to Belgium.

"I'm curious to know their reaction," he told Reuters. "We're giving them 10 days to respond ... I don't think they will pay it."

The girl, 15-year-old Hiba Kassim, smiled to reporters as she waited for her flight to Jordan to meet her father.

"Thank you, Belgium," she said.

Doctors brought Kassim to Belgium last year to try to save her left ankle, seriously injured by a cluster bomb that also killed her brother in Baghdad in 2003.

After five operations and weeks of physiotherapy, Kassim is able to walk again, but with a slight limp.

De Belder said he sent the bill to the U.S. embassy because international law dictated that an occupying force was responsible for the well-being of the country's people. U.S. embassy officials were not immediately available for comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050429/od_nm/iraq_belgium_dc_2

If the embassy refuses payment, who wants to start a Save-Habi fund?


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4120720 - 05/01/05 10:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

right on


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4121242 - 05/02/05 12:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hope we (US) take care of her, least we as a people can do considering we killed her brother.


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4122595 - 05/02/05 11:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"We're giving them 10 days to respond ... I don't think they will pay it."


we better pay the euro weenies their money.


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4122625 - 05/02/05 11:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Who should they bill then? Should they have done the work for free? Should they have not treated her injuries at all? It is an interesting article because it begs the question: who is responsible for civilian casualties? Obviously the insurgents aren't since they don't appear to care whether or not they kill civilians, same with the U.S. army. Maybe they should bill the Red Cross?


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4122659 - 05/02/05 11:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

We should pay it, and we should have done the work. (usa)

I think this is a fuck the states article. (IMO)


i did a google search on the so called humanitarian group "Medical Aid for Third World" is a product of the "Communist Workers Party of Belgium."

They started out their existence by distributing the following (trash) via listserv in 2003

Urgent statement and appeal by Medical Aid for the Third World

As medical doctors, we cannot remain silent in the face of the enormous suffering of the Iraqi civilian population, brought about by the US-British bombings, invasion and occupation.

We have seen hundreds of civilians, including many children, injured and killed, often by prohibited weapons such as cluster bombs. We have seen how ambulances and civilian cars have been hit by US troops.

We have experienced how patients and health workers had difficulties passing US military checkpoints and reaching medical facilities.

We now see how the Iraqi civilian hospitals and other medical facilities are plundered and neglected.

Many Iraqi health professionals can no longer report to work. Without electricity, safe water supply and the provision of medicines and other medical supplies, many patients are simply left to die.

As health professionals and as human beings, we cannot tolerate this situation.

We therefore issue the following statement and appeal:

1. The current humanitarian catastrophe is entirely and solely the responsibility of the US and British authorities, who launched a war of aggression against Iraq in complete violation of international law.

2. In the course of their war, the US and British troops have grossly and repeatedly violated international humanitarian law (Articles 10, 12, 15, 21, 35, 36, 41, 45, 47, 48 and 51of Protocol I additional to the Geneva Conventions).

3. A genuine and lasting solution to the humanitarian catastrophe in Iraq can only be realized after the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all US and British occupation troops and the full restoration of Iraq's sovereignty on the entire Iraqi territory and on the basis of the Iraqi people's own free will.

4. The US and Great Britain should be made to pay for all direct and indirect damages and suffering their war has inflicted upon the Iraqi people, country and society.

5. In the meantime, as occupying powers, the US and Great Britain have the duty of ensuring the food and medical supplies of the population (Article 55 of the Fourth Geneva Convention). They likewise have the duty of ensuring and maintaining, with the cooperation of national and local authorities, the medical and hospital establishments and services, public health and hygiene in the occupied territory. They must allow medical personnel to carry out their duties. (Article 56 of the Fourth Geneva Convention)

6. We call on the relevant UN agencies, such as the UNFP, Unicef and the WHO, to immediately resume their humanitarian operations in Iraq. A firefighter does not wait until the house has burnt down completely, but takes risks in order to fight the fire and avoid the complete collapse of the building.

7. We support all spontaneous and organized initiatives of the Iraqi population to denounce the US and British occupation and to demand that the US and British authorities fulfill their duties under international humanitarian law.

8. We support each initiative that aims to bring US General Tommy Franks and other US and British military authorities and personnel before a court of justice to make them answer for their violations of international humanitarian law.

Upon the request of direct victims of US violations of international humanitarian law, among them patients and medical personnel, we have asked the well-known Belgian human rights lawyer Mr. Jan Fermon to explore the concrete possibilities of charging US General Tommy Franks in a Belgian court for war crimes, on the basis of the Belgian law of universal competence.

Geert Van Moorter, M.D., emergency physician, in Baghdad since 16 March

Colette Moulaert, M.D., pediatrician, in Baghdad from 16 March to 13 April

Harrie Dewitte, M.D., in Baghdad from 6 to 13

April Claire Geraets, M.D., in Baghdad since 6 April

Bert De Belder, M.D., coordinator of Medical Aid for the Third World in Brussels, Belgium


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4122694 - 05/02/05 12:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The U.S. army should just get it over with, and renounce the Geneva convention. We don't abide by it and we never have.

Commie doctors: "What about the civilians? You killed 10 times more civilians than enemy combatants!"

U.S. army: "What? Fuck the civilians! We are trying to fight a war here!"


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4122794 - 05/02/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Civilians Deaths are sad, but a part of War. never in the history of war has a power gone to such great lengths to protect civilians. that's my opinion.


I can remember reading about a lot more civilian deaths in Poland, Stalingrad, Rome, London, Dresden, Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Berlin, Auschwitz, and Dachau.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Edited by lonestar2004 (05/02/05 12:34 PM)


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4123009 - 05/02/05 01:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Every one of those civilians in the cities you mentioned was killed at least four years before the Geneva Conventions were drafted and signed. Therefore, how could the U.S. be held officialy accountable for their deaths?

Do you see Kissinger on trial at the Hague for war crimes? I see him getting a Nobel Peace Prize.

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So if this War on Terrorism includes the Attack on New York's World Trade Center, then all those civilian casualties were just a "sad part of war"? That has been the terrorists' major victory so far in this international war, and only civilians were killed during that attack. Maybe a couple of security gaurds and lower-downs at the Pentagon (good thing they hit the west side and not the obvious target, the east!) But the rest were all civilians. Their deaths were in vain, just a sad part of war...

Another contractor was taken hostage today. He is a 63 year old man, a war profiteer working in Iraq for the last year. When he dies, will you not shed a tear, because his death was necessary as a part of this sad, sad war?


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4123020 - 05/02/05 01:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

excuses
rationalization
cop-out
party line
denial
finger-pointing elsewhere


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4123072 - 05/02/05 01:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

We are at war and the Terrorists are just a bunch of Pirates. The terrorists in Iraq are raping the international laws of warfare, by targeting civilians, not separating themselves from civilians, operating from mosques, etc....


and Bio sorry to finger point and get off topic.

I repeat that we need to pay the Euro Weenies.


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4123147 - 05/02/05 01:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well how else are they supposed to fight? I agree, they are a rag-tag army of pirates and bandits, versus the U.S. military, the most fearsome and high tech army in human history. There is not a lot of money for them to waste on uniforms and easily discernable military targets, such as bunkers and bases. For fucks sake we are fighting poor people. And poor people have to fight dirty, otherwise they would just roll over and let us kill them.

If there is a bank robber holding people hostage, do the police try to snipe the banker, send in SWAT to take him the fuck out, or do they gas the whole place killing everyone inside? Only example of that I can think of is Russia gassing a theatre full of inoccents to kill a few rebels.


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Re: Belgian Doctors Bill U.S. for Treating Iraqi Girl [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4124255 - 05/02/05 06:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SWEDEN said:
The U.S. army should just get it over with, and renounce the Geneva convention. We don't abide by it and we never have.




Is a treaty binding when only one party signs it? And what specific violations do you refer to, anyway? I thought you were not of this nation anyway.

Quote:


Commie doctors: "What about the civilians? You killed 10 times more civilians than enemy combatants!"




Please provide your source for these numbers. Thank you.

Quote:


U.S. army: "What? Fuck the civilians! We are trying to fight a war here!"




I think absolutely incredibly effective restraint was shown to minimize civilian casualties to a historic low. The insurgents have killed more Iraqi civilians on purpose.


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