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Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera
    #1425440 - 04/03/03 06:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1425561 - 04/03/03 09:15 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Al-Jazeera is the most untainted press in the region of the Middle East. But, this is besides the point. You can't really put the "Iraqi people" into one marginalized group. Iraq is made of many different racial and ethnic groups. Nationalism is a western ideology that has only been in the Middle East for about fifty years. So you can't really say accurately that the "Iraqi people" don't like Al-Jazeera.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Prodijal_Son]
    #1425582 - 04/03/03 09:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Al-Jazeera is the most untainted press in the region of the Middle East.




i'm sorry but i can't stop laughing..he he. I needed that.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425627 - 04/03/03 10:24 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Please explain yourself. Notice how I said that Al-Jazeera is the most untainted news ... in ... the ... region ... of .. the ... Middle ... East ...


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Prodijal_Son]
    #1425654 - 04/03/03 10:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

what was funny is that they are the ONLY one in the middle east. But i could be wrong.

They make things up. Period. I trust CNN more then i would Al Jazeera, and that's hard for me to say.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425660 - 04/03/03 10:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I trust CNN more then i would Al Jazeera, and that's hard for me to say.





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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425661 - 04/03/03 10:39 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

They're not the only ones. They're just the only ones that aren't state run. I'm sure they have an agenda of their own, and I don't agree with the showing of the pictures and what not, as it only perpetuates the stereotypical image of the violent MIddle East. But, for me there's really not an issue of trust, as no one really says anything about the extensive and complex issues that lead up to "terrorist" acts of the United States and other fundamentalist groups.

BTW ... George Bush is a religious fundamentalist. He'll tell you this a few years from now.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Prodijal_Son]
    #1425684 - 04/03/03 10:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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They're not the only ones. They're just the only ones that aren't state run.




That's debateable....

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I'm sure they have an agenda of their own, and I don't agree with the showing of the pictures and what not




That really didn't bother me at all. I just don't like them making up claims and creating news that isn't there.

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But, for me there's really not an issue of trust, as no one really says anything about the extensive and complex issues that lead up to "terrorist" acts of the United States and other fundamentalist groups.




Does it really matter? I mean if i call you a name and you hit me does it make it the fact that you assulted me ok? They kill people because they don't get their way, (ie: religion acceptance) or out of plain ignorance.

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BTW ... George Bush is a religious fundamentalist. He'll tell you this a few years from now.




Why are you telling me this? I couldn't careless about the religious aspects of this war. I do care about the deaths that are caused because radical muslims can't accept the fact that the whole world doesn't agree with them.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Prodijal_Son]
    #1425804 - 04/03/03 12:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

"it only perpetuates the stereotypical image of the violent MIddle East"

Yeah, they've been getting a bum rap all along... they're the most peaceful region on the planet.

Al Jazeera is no more biased than say, CNN.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1425807 - 04/03/03 12:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yeah, something to point out.

It's the Iraqi government that kicked Al Jazeera out. Not the Iraqi people.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425813 - 04/03/03 12:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Inn- Are they making up claims, or are they just reporting information that turns out to be false.

I guarantee that every single piece of news from a western source has at least one piece of misinterpreted, or outright false information in it.

I could list off a good handful of completely false information that CNN or FOX have reported in this war alone.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Phluck]
    #1425821 - 04/03/03 12:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I could list off a good handful of completely false information that CNN or FOX have reported in this war alone.



I'm sure you can. I have seen a ton of bad coverage, but it was all just mistakes or misinterpretations and not outright lies.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: z@z.com]
    #1425828 - 04/03/03 12:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Why do you assume the same isn't true in the case of Al-Jazeera?



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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425831 - 04/03/03 12:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I do care about the deaths that are caused because radical muslims can't accept the fact that the whole world doesn't agree with them.



You honestly think they're actually willing to fly a plane into the WTC just because we don't agree with them? Don't you think it might be an act of revenge for some harm we've caused in the region? It's exactly this kind of arrogance that makes the world hate us.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Phluck]
    #1425837 - 04/03/03 12:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I could list off a good handful of completely false information that CNN or FOX have reported in this war alone.




there is a huge difference between reporting wrong or misinterpreted information than out and out lies. If you can't see the difference then i can't help but wonder why.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: friartuck]
    #1425838 - 04/03/03 12:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Why do you assume the same isn't true in the case of Al-Jazeera?



I should have been more specific. I don't know anything about Al-Jazeera. I have never watched it nor have I read much about it. I didn't mean to imply that they were telling lies.


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425846 - 04/03/03 12:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I could list off a good handful of completely false information that CNN or FOX have reported in this war alone.




there is a huge difference between reporting wrong or misinterpreted information than out and out lies. If you can't see the difference then i can't help but wonder why.



Can you name any of these "out and out lies" or are you just assuming that they're lying because of the bum rap they've got here in the U.S.?


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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425874 - 04/03/03 12:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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That really didn't bother me at all. I just don't like them making up claims and creating news that isn't there.
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In what position are you to determine what news is and isn't there?

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Does it really matter? I mean if i call you a name and you hit me does it make it the fact that you assulted me ok? They kill people because they don't get their way, (ie: religion acceptance) or out of plain ignorance.
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Killing people because they don't get their way? This is extreme simplification of the issue. First off ... they kill people because their way of life is being marginalized and extenguished by imperialism, colonialism, Westernization, and modernization.

First you have to differentiate between the Baath Regime and Islamists. If you're talking about the Baath then you're not talking about Islam. The Baath regime uses words like jihad to provoke and evoke Arab Muslims against the West and is a tactic that the Baath regime has been using for about two weeks old.

If you're talking about Islamists, try not the generalize them into a one big group of extremists. If you want to talk about radicals, such as bin Laden, Khomenei, etc. then you have to realize that this is not a religiuous issue. They use religion for their own purposes.

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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: silversoul7]
    #1425877 - 04/03/03 12:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Can you name any of these "out and out lies" or are you just assuming that they're lying because of the bum rap they've got here in the U.S.?




Reports that american soldiers are beating and toturing POW's is completly false. I don't believe it for a second. We treat our POW's better than we do some of our own people. We DON"T kill civilians as a primary objective, etc.

This is a pretty good article on the differences between american media and Al-Jazeera

NEW YORK — When Americans turn on their televisions each day to learn the latest details about the Iraq war, they get a story vastly different from the one broadcast to the Arab world.

Millions in the U.S. see a version of the war in which coalition forces are fighting to disarm a vicious dictator and liberate an oppressed people. But in the Middle East, the mostly state-run Arab media represents Operation Iraqi Freedom as a push to expand American power.

"The invasion of Iraq has been portrayed as an act of American colonialism and the application of brutal force against the poor Iraqis," said Middle East analyst Richard Dekmejian.

Media experts say that in general, the Arab press has a strong anti-American bias.

In San Francisco, Jamal Dajani — director of WorldLink Middle East Programming — monitors 16 Middle East newscasts. He then compiles a daily summary called "Mosaic" that's translated into English and aired on the WorldLink channel.

"They're portraying this as an invasion, (saying) it's a war for oil, it's a war for colonization," said Dajani. "Only Kuwait television is portraying it as the liberation of Iraq."

Iraqi television has shown armed civilians cheering the deaths of American soldiers and has gone to great lengths to present property damage and civilian casualties.

"We are hungry and our house was destroyed," said an elderly Iraqi woman on TV. "Why are they hitting civilians?"

And Al-Jazeera's new English-version Web site includes pictures of American prisoners of war and headlines like "U.S. 'Precision' Bomb Destroys Civilian Bus."

The U.S. has set up its own media outlets to bring the Western point of view to the Middle East.

Radio Sawa, broadcast in Arabic and based in Washington, D.C., has become a weapon in the battle for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people — offering a mix of American and Arab popular music and news updates 24 hours a day.

After just a year on the air, the station — which targets youth — is broadcast in every Arab country, reaching 25 percent of the world's Arab population.

Even though Sawa (Arabic for "together") is funded by the U.S. Congress, station managers and staff say their goal is to communicate effectively without sounding like American propaganda.

"We need to create a channel of communication with these people if we are ever going to work on changing opinions," said Bert Kleinman, programming consultant for Radio Sawa.

The strategy seems to be working, at least among some Kuwaitis.

"It's a good channel because now we are looking for facts and it gives us the facts," said Kuwait City youth Bander Al Saqry. "Al-Jazeera is not good. They don't tell the truth."

Additionally, under the direction of former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq David Newton, a Prague-based American radio station called Radio Free Iraq — whose staff is composed of mostly Iraqis — offers a perspective different than that of the state-run Arab media.

Newton told The Prague Post that the station tries to report news accurately to the Iraqi people.

"As a surrogate radio station, we are supposed to be giving them the kind of responsible journalism that they would be getting if they had a democracy," he told the Post.

The Post reported that some American media organizations, as well as the Iraqi government, have characterized Radio Free Iraq as U.S. propaganda, an accusation Newton refutes. The station was created in 1998 by former President Bill Clinton as a way of dealing with growing tensions between Iraq and the U.S., according to the Post.

But despite these efforts to bring another side of the story to the Middle East, when all is said and done, America and the Arab world could be left with two completely different perceptions of how and why the war was fought.

"We are broadcasting to a very sophisticated and skeptical audience," Kleinman of Radio Sawa said. "We are going to have a huge job to do to re-establish and continue the good will toward the U.S. and the Middle East."



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Re: Seems the iraqi's don't like al-Jazeera [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425892 - 04/03/03 01:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that no POWs we've captured are being beaten and tortured by American soldiers? I'm sure that 99% of them are being treated just fine, but there could easily be an exception to this.


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