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Offlinefreddurgan
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Psychosomatic drug damage?
    #4023136 - 04/06/05 09:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I'm just wondering. I doubt there is TOO much to this, but, hey.

I was wondering how much..negative effects do you think drugs have when the person is worried about the effects. Like

The buddha taking PCP vs. some really nervous white boy

The buddha just accepts the effects, comes down, and moves on with life. But the nervous white boy worries about brain damage, reads about it, thinks about it, etc. Do you think all this worrying and FOCUS on the negative aspects increase them in any way?

Or, take a look at

60's druggy vs. 90's druggy

Any difference there? Carefree drug use in the 60s vs. carefree drug use with more information available, possibly making you think about it in concern.


Does this make any sense?


P.S - No I'm not -THE- nervous white boy who is going to take PCP. I'm gonna pass on PCP. But I DO worry about drug negative effects a lot, and my roommate NEVER worries about drug negative effects. Ever. He's been doing fine in school except for that one bullshit semester, but I fucked up there too.

I tend to lay a lot of fake "OH IM DUMBER" shit on myself and he doesn't. I'm wondering if you guys think that has any physical affect on me.

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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4023147 - 04/06/05 09:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

usually the only thing i worry about when im on drugs is gettin busted. i always read up on drugs and ask friends about their experiences before i try em.

im pretty careful that way and save myself the worry


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: Yarry]
    #4023178 - 04/06/05 09:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

mmkay drugs are bad.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: Yarry]
    #4023201 - 04/06/05 09:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm pretty careful too, but I can't ever shake the worry that stuff like

a.) DXM
b.) Salvia (there's no testing..people are guessing it's safe)
c.) Red Dawn (god knows what's in it)
d.) Ecstasy

are just fuckin with me =(

can't shake it


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4023215 - 04/06/05 09:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

salvia ive never broken through on and it does indeed worry me. but i just try and put it out of my mind.

i think if i did any of the crazy RC's i would be a little sketchy, but i try and stay away from the chems


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: Yarry]
    #4023229 - 04/06/05 09:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I can't decide if I'm REALLY noticing differences in myself, or if any differences I notice I pin on drugs and let the propaganda invade my mind =(

I need a woman to occupy my mind lol. I'm sure that would make me all better


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4023233 - 04/06/05 09:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

maybe lay off the drugs for the month and save your sanity and figure out where the true problem lay


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4023326 - 04/06/05 09:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I need a woman to occupy my mind lol. I'm sure that would make me all better




No, you don't. You need to stop worrying about something that doesn't exist.

If you couldn't walk sometimes, if your hands constantly shook, if you lost sight in one or both of your eyes for periods of time, if you had seizures, if you had no short term memory (barring smoking marijuana), etc. you would have something to worry about.

If you've suffered seratonin syndrome while on DXM (seizing, foaming at the mouth, brain frying) you'd have something to worry about.

So essentially,

Chill. Unless you're showing some type of severe symptom, I doubt that anything is wrong. But I am no doctor.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4023703 - 04/06/05 11:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Stop thinking that way and you may be supprised of what you can accomplish. You can only do what you say you can do. If you tell yourself you can't do something because you are brain damaged or whatever you won't even try therefore you set your own limitation with your words. Also if you feel like these substances your taking can cause these kinds of effects in yourself then why do you continue to desire to take them? Personally I felt DXM was a bit shady so I have since refrained from using it. I think if you stick with shrooms, acid, dmt, mescaline in moderation you will be intact physically but psychologically is whole other story.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4025020 - 04/07/05 07:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

some damage is likely with ecstacy over a longer period.
some extra obsessive behaviour also can be adopted after ecstacy.

both reversible.

sounds like the early onset of obsessive behaviour.
another name for OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) is
the doubting disease.
it is a natural extension of getting down into the ruts and running the same thoughts over and over.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4025083 - 04/07/05 08:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

freddurgan said:
I'm pretty careful too, but I can't ever shake the worry that stuff like

a.) DXM
b.) Salvia (there's no testing..people are guessing it's safe)
c.) Red Dawn (god knows what's in it)
d.) Ecstasy

are just fuckin with me =(

can't shake it




whats wrong with salvia?.. oh, you mean smoking it, yeah? sure that might do damage (like any kind of smoke/dust/particles do when inhaled) but sublingually should be ok.

what was it that mexican shaman woman said about smoking salvia.. someting like "its like burning your own children". now i dont have any children.. but if i did, burning would not be on the top of the "to do" list.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4025100 - 04/07/05 08:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
some damage is likely with ecstacy over a longer period.
some extra obsessive behaviour also can be adopted after ecstacy.

both reversible.




actually, I just read a few months ago that there is strong evidence that E permanently damages your brain (or at least that of rats).

didn't read all of it (not into E so I only paid so much attention). but the conclusion mentioned that it permanently affects/reduces the levels of several substances (serotonin amongst others).

the idea was that the intense high and euphoria during the high might result in lowered levels of ambient/everyday happiness for the rest of your life. a pretty serious price to pay.

now, of course this is still just one report, and we are still at a too early stage to say anything about the effects on humans. a few rides probably wont be noticeable... but for long-term usage... who knows.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4025351 - 04/07/05 10:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
some damage is likely with ecstacy over a longer period.
some extra obsessive behaviour also can be adopted after ecstacy.

both reversible.

sounds like the early onset of obsessive behaviour.
another name for OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) is
the doubting disease.
it is a natural extension of getting down into the ruts and running the same thoughts over and over.




The doubting disease sounds pretty straightforward. I'm going to need to change my life up a bit pretty soon. I'm miserable 24/7 at this school and I don't have the balls to leave.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4025364 - 04/07/05 10:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Get the balls and leave and do well or you'll be miserable the entire time, not use your full potential, and possibly end up nowhere.

I'm miserable at my college, but I've worked a schedule to get out a lot sooner than I thought, then I'm going to get another degree probably on a free ride.

Fuck the shitty schools, use them as stepping stones.

If you need to get out of your environment for your mental health, get out.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4707918 - 09/25/05 02:18 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

freddurgan said:
I'm pretty careful too, but I can't ever shake the worry that stuff like

a.) DXM
b.) Salvia (there's no testing..people are guessing it's safe)
c.) Red Dawn (god knows what's in it)
d.) Ecstasy

are just fuckin with me =(

can't shake it





I don't want to pull an authority card here, but maybe if you know that I've studied neurophysiology you'll feel calmed in knowing that:


A) DXM - I've read some stuff implying brain damage, but I'm not sure. Since large drug companies are involved it might be a while before we know what's going on with this.
B) Salvia probably doesn't hurt, considering how it affects the kappa opioid receptors. I don't know much about the research done on salvia, but it is possible that long term use could lead to bouts of nausea, numbness in various body parts and depression. Most likely using it moderately or irregularly will cause no permanent changes to the brain...other than the changes of thought patterns caused by memory and accumulated experience from salvia (but this last thing goes for all drugs, dreams or daily experience).
c) Red Dawn - dunno
D) Ecstasy will fuck you up. You seem to know a bit about drugs so you probably know about the severe depression that follows continued use of ecstasy and you probably know how the brain develops a dependence on it if it is used regularly (you'll need it in order to have normal serotonin levels). You're screwing with your noradrenaline, dopamine and serotonin regulation when you do XTC, so don't be suprised if you do 150 mg several times during a short period and feel entirely apathetic and can't function.

Just don't do a drug unless you feel life would not be worth living without having done or tried it.


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Re: Psychosomatic drug damage? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #4710017 - 09/25/05 03:43 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Hah, thread blast from the past. At this point I'm done with all substances (all), and I couldn't be happier. But thanks for the late reply.


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