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I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people.
    #3810041 - 02/21/05 10:06 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

And I would like to target "The counterculture" with my marketing tactics.


Umm... What potential legal pitfalls do you see in this plan?

What are the regulations regarding selling chemicals in the US?

The purpose would be mostly educational and entreprenurial. My target market would be people who are curious and would like to learn more about chemistry.

I would not give explicit instructions on how to make drugs.

I may or may not actually supply any educational material. I expect most people I would be selling to would be buying used college textbooks online for cheap. I might help people find books or something. If I came accross a big truckload of textbooks headed to the dump or something, I might grab them and distribute them to my minions ... I mean customers.


I think every thing should be "all good" as long as they all have business liscenses. Then at that point, they would be able to legally buy from me anything that I could myself legally obtain.


And eveything I sold would be obtained legally.


So I guess my question is: What can I obtain legally with a business liscense in the US?


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3810342 - 02/21/05 12:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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What can I obtain legally with a business liscense in the US?




Anything legal.

That is however too logical....you may still come a cropper.

For instance you may start a nice innocent garden superstore, innocently you purchase extremely large amounts of legal fertaliser...to sell to the gardening masses.

Total Information Awareness systems pick up the blip, before you know it you are arrested as a terrorist, locked up without charge being brought against you, and without a case being lodged - in fact without case.

But that does not matter - you did not follow the program. Plus your character analysis shows disapproval of the government.

We are at war and that negates the legal process that all those GI's died to protect, since the very first GI was recruited. You are guilty as it suits the country's managers. You are guilty because they don't like the way you think.

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I may or may not actually supply any educational material.




I wouldn't supply educational material with the chemicals, that would be like the garden superstore guy selling bomb instructions with the fertaliser. I would only sell one or the other.

I don't know though - You might slip through the net if you play kool and low key. After all, everything is above board, and the net has a lot of holes.

Talk to a lawyer.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3810386 - 02/21/05 12:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Probably depends on what type of chemicals you're selling. Text books, no problem. Safrole, another story.

I don't know the details of the law, but I know that most known drug precursors require paperwork w/ the DEA. Also, you can be sent to prison if you're too obvious about selling to drug manufacturers.

Strike, who ran the Hive before rhodium, was sent to prison because he was running a chemical supply house while running the Hive, and sold watched chemicals to many bees.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: phi1618]
    #3810620 - 02/21/05 01:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Nah, I wouldn't sell saffole, but what about something like calcium phosphate from which red phosphorus could potentially be extracted?

Red phosphorus is used in the manufacture of methamphetamine.

As far as educational material, I would focus mainly on used college textbooks, not Phihkal or Tihkal or anything like that.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3810836 - 02/21/05 02:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

This is a pretty touchy subject, and not one that I'm an expert on. You're going to want to do your own research.

Chances are you're going to have to be registered with the DEA. You'll be obligated to report suspicious orders, whether they include listed chemicals or not. You'll probably want to stay away from listed chemicals.

Here're the lists:
List I Chemical

List I chemical is a chemical that, in addition to legitimate uses, is used in manufacturing a controlled substance in violation of the CSA and is designated a List I chemical by the DEA Administrator or Congress. Chemicals in List I generally are precursors and have been determined by DEA to require a greater level of control than other listed chemicals. Anthranilic acid, ergotamine, piperidine, and drug products containing ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, or phenylpropanolamine are examples of List I chemicals.

List II Chemical

List II chemical is a chemical, other than a List I chemical, that, in addition to legitimate uses, is used in manufacturing a controlled substance in violation of the CSA and is designated a List II chemical by the DEA Administrator or Congress. Chemicals in List II are generally reagents and solvents.




List I Chemicals
N-Acetylanthranilic acid and its salts and esters
Anthranilic acid and its salts and esters
Benzaldehyde
Benzyl cyanide
Ephedrine and its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers
Ergonovine and its salts (Tariff name:Ergometrine)
Ergotamine and its salts
Ethylamine and its salts
Gamma-butyrolactone
Hydriodic acid (57%)
Isosafrole
Methylamine and its salts
3, 4-Methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone (Tariff name: 1-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-propanone)
N-Methylephedrine and its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers
N-Methylpseudoephedrine and its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers
Nitroethane
Norpseudoephedrine and its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers
Phenylacetic acid and its salts and esters
Phenylpropanolamine and its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers
Piperidine and its salts
Piperonal
Propionic anhydride
Pseudoephedrine and its salts, optical isomers, and salts of optical isomers
Safrole (includes safrole-rich essential oils, such as sassafras oil and camphor oil 1070)
Red Phosphorus
White Phosphorus
Hypophosphorus acid and its salts


List II Chemicals

Acetic anhydride
Acetone
Benzyl chloride
Ethyl ether
Hyrogen chloride
Iodine
Methyl ethyl ketone (2-Butanone)
Methyl isobutyl ketone (MIBK)
Potassium permanganate
Sulfuric acid
Toluene




Well, clearly some of the List 2 chemicals are absurdly easy to get ahold of, for various uses. The basic idea, though, as I understand it, is that you're not alowed to sell chemicals (or anything else) to sombody if you have reason to believe that they'll be used in the manufacture of illegal drugs. Or, at least, such sales should be reported to the DEA. I'm really not too sure about the rules. You should look around deadiversion.usdoj.gov.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: CJay]
    #3811187 - 02/21/05 03:35 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

What in the hell are you talking about? A licensed business buying large amounts of fertilizer and hes going to be ARRESTED?


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: phi1618]
    #3811891 - 02/21/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think I can get by without most of the stuff on List I.

Fuck List II. I'll sell any of that shit I want to.

Fuck em'.

I'm surprised there aren't more phosphates on the list. Calcium Phosphate is fairly easy to get Phosphorus out of.

I'm kind of surprised agar isn't watched yet either.

If that's the entire list of watched chemicals, then I'm not too worried.


I wonder if there are any restrictions on laboratory equipment.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3812025 - 02/21/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Have fun in jail.



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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3812491 - 02/21/05 07:16 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You could do it as long as you cut your ties here first. Also, you will need to hire a good legal team to get you started and make sure you are protected. You can and will be prosecuted if anyone who buys anything from you is caught using it illegally unless you have the proper legal protection.

Just don't openly market it for anything illegal and you could easily sell schedule II materials. Most of them are available at the hardware store anyways.

I do believe there are restrictions on glass but they are not really enforced as much. I think 3-neck RB flasks are restricted as well as larger glassware.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: SoopaX]
    #3815746 - 02/22/05 07:48 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

He's not going to be buying fertaliser.......


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: CJay]
    #3817909 - 02/22/05 06:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

How do you know?


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3821311 - 02/23/05 10:38 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It came to me in a dream...Swami told me in a dream, he looked like a young Jack Nicholson...maybe the premonition was wrong....are you going to sell fertaliser then?


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: CJay]
    #3821653 - 02/23/05 12:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Probably, of some kind or another.

USP grade chemicals and lower mostly; some of which could presumably be used as fertilizer.


Also raw natural minerals.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3823649 - 02/23/05 07:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You are playing with fire, prepare to get burned.

Once a man told me "Money doesn't grow on tree's."
He was correct, you have to take the chance, go out on a limb sometimes. If you want to do it, I suggest you know your limits and try to not get carried away.

The best advise I could give you is to buy pre paid legal advise. While playing border runner between legal and illegal acts money is the only thing that will save your ass. They are known to take your money if you get arrested too, that is why i would invest in legal defense insurance. Just incase.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: tak]
    #3824304 - 02/23/05 10:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Just so we're clear I want to point out that I am not looking to sell chemicals to people who are going to do anything illegal with them.


I am not "just saying that".

I'm talking about supplying to people who want to fossilize a fungus, or make a concrete balloon, or dephoshorylize some chitin.


No drugs, no bombs, no poisons, no mind control devices from dimension X, just hobbyist researchers who like to fuck with nature.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3824335 - 02/23/05 10:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

CAN U PLZ PM ME I WANT TO BI SOME ERGOTUHMEEN TARTRATE AND SOME SUDOUHFEDERINE THX


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: SoopaX]
    #3824539 - 02/23/05 10:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Look into the case of Hobart Huson. "Strike", founder of the hive. If you store chemicals you would probably need to abide by pretty strict storage and disposal rules.

http://mdma.net/law/sentenced.html


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: cb9fl]
    #3826197 - 02/24/05 06:58 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Storage and disposal I got no issues with.

I guess I should mention that a few years ago not far from here a convenience store owner got a lengthy sentence for selling meth supplies (matches, H2O2, iodine, etc... usual convenience store stuff) to a meth manufacturer.


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3826247 - 02/24/05 07:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Back to my original post then...


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Re: I think I'd like to sell some chemicals to people. [Re: CJay]
    #3828692 - 02/24/05 07:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No matter what you are doing you gotta cover your ass. Like you said, you could be selling unknowingly to a drug manifacturer, maybe precursors that were unknown. No matter what you are doing, its always good to have a good lawyer at hand.


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