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Offlinehippychickfl
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false chanterelle
    #3678065 - 01/25/05 04:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I was just looking through a guide to wild mushrooms, and the entry for the "false chanterelle" (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) says, mysteriously, "Edible but known to produce hallucinations!" Since the entry makes no mention of this mushroom containing muscarine/ibotenic acid, and since it's apparently not a psilocybe either, I was curious about how this mushroom could possibly be hallucinogenic. Searching on MykoWeb and Google has brought up no info on this mushroom. So I thought I'd ask the more seasoned mushroom hunters on this site. . .Do you have any knowledge of this particular mushroom, have you ever come across/eaten it, and how could the author of this book possibly label it hallucinogenic when it doesn't seem to have a reputation for being so, and is not either a psilocybe or an Amanitas?


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Re: false chanterelle [Re: hippychickfl]
    #3678097 - 01/25/05 04:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What guide is this in?


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Re: false chanterelle [Re: hippychickfl]
    #3678261 - 01/25/05 04:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's gotta be describing some Gymnopolis..
They are orange and I guess could be mistaken for chanterelles.
But they are not super active, and not all gyms are even active at all.


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Re: false chanterelle [Re: flowstone]
    #3678635 - 01/25/05 05:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sure you are reading an outdated guide to wild mushrooms written in the 1950's by an obscure British professor or somesuch. Sounds like the stuff I've found countless times on the library bookshelves down here. Just goes to show you can't trust everything you read in a day. Very old mushroom guides or guides that make claims such as that should be discarded in favor of more reliable guides- the mistakes are senselesselly countless sometimes.


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Re: false chanterelle [Re: hippychickfl]
    #3678669 - 01/25/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I have found Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca many times. It is listed in most guides as poisonous, but reports of actual poisonings aren't common. Most likely it causes stomach upsets sometimes in people who have mistaken them for chanterelles.

Flowstone has what sounds like the right idea. It's probably pretty likely that somebody was poisoned by some small bright orange mushrooms growing from wood and, without actual specimens to work from, somebody guessed that they were false chanterelles when they were actually Gymnopilus.

It's amazing sometimes how far a single odd poisoning report can propagate. There are also reports that Hygrocybe conica caused a fatality (in China quite awhile back), so you'll find some mushroom books around that say they're deadly poison.

With poisonings misidentification of the mushroom is the most common cause. If there are no specimens left over for an expert to examine then the identification is only a guess. The descriptions of the mushrooms from the people poisoned usually leave you wondering why they haven't been poisoned sooner. The quality of the guess of what was actually eaten will depend on the amount of experience of the person getting the description. Since the vast majority of people picking wild mushrooms are trying to find food, I can easily see many of the identifiers I know guessing false chanterelles and not even thinking of Gymnopilus.

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Re: false chanterelle [Re: ToxicMan]
    #3679489 - 01/25/05 09:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: false chanterelle [Re: hippychickfl]
    #3680213 - 01/25/05 11:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

According to the matchmaker online database it appears that an author by the name of "Phillips" stated that there were possibly hallucinogenic effects from this mushroom.

I would lean towards the majority and not think about eating it. :wink:


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Re: false chanterelle [Re: angryshroom]
    #3681613 - 01/26/05 03:46 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's on page 72 of Roger Phillips Mushrooms of North America. Thanks for pointing out the author so I could verify it.

I wonder where he got that information.

Dr Dennis Benjamin lists them as edible, and he tends to err solidly on the side of caution.

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Re: false chanterelle [Re: ToxicMan]
    #3684504 - 01/26/05 07:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I ate about a handful of these mushrooms in Germany, having read the entry in my great german language field guide. It said "angeblick" (allegedly) hallucinogenic. What can I say, I was young and reckless, and in an experimental phase. I suffered no effects at all, ill or otherwise.


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