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 50/50+ (of sorts) made with coir 
#366985 - 08/04/01 11:24 PM (23 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hola,
There has been a lot of back and forth regarding casings. I have always been in favor of 50/50+. It provides a good, tough, contam resistant casing medium. I got on the bandwagon a couple of months ago when the coir topic was hot and heavy. I went and ordered 6 bricks of the stuff. This I have come to realize is a crapload of coir, more than i can use in the near future. Used alone I don't much dig on coir however; it does have some nice qualities worth taking note of. Coir, maintains a nice spongy feeling even when partially colonized. It seem to be easier to re-hydrate than peat based casings. Despite my bias towards 50/50+ I have had some nice results with coir. I have been trying to find some way to make use of all this friggin coco fiber. I have recently used it to provide texture in some horse dung compost I have in the makins....I decided to give it a try as a replacement for peat in the 50/50+ mixture. I re-hydrated a piece of brick and then dried the coir by nuking it in the micro in an uncovered tupperware. The first mixture appeared to be a little lacking in the coir dept. I ended up increasing the coir by just a bit. Due to the fact that coir is not as acidic as peat I lowered the lime as well. This is the recipe I ended up with:
2.0 cups Coir (rehydrated and dried)
1.5 cups Verm
1/2 cup Crushed oyster shell
1/8 cup Lime
2.0 cups spring water
This actually ends up being more like 60/40+. The finished mix has a nice fluffy texture and holds a lot of water. So far I have not had time to test through the complete cycle but it is colonizing like mad. In my experience, coir does colonize faster than peat. I have found the pH a little lower than Ryche?s 50/50+. With the peat I use, I find the Hawk recipe to give about an 11 pH. This recipe using coir will give you about a 10. Still plenty high to discourage contams... Maybe this will provide a little of the best from both. I will get back with an update. If you have the time and materials, I recommend mixing a batch. I think you'll like the texture...
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Re: 50/50+ (of sorts) made with coir [Re: TrippinRhino]
#367586 - 08/06/01 07:23 AM (23 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yep, thats alot of coir you got. I bought a 20lb block and can see that it will last for
quite a while. Doesn't seem like cakes are you're prefered method but if you wanted
give them another try coir works wonders. I've tried 50/50+ (peat)/brf as a substitute for
straight verm/brf for cakes. It gives about the same result as straight verm, very slow.
On the other hand I tried 50/50 (coir/verm)/brf and have had amazing results. Fast colonizing
strains (cam, thai, aussie) run through consistently in under 2 weeks. I have a hunch that
coir/brf would work as well but haven't tried it. I didn't add any lime to the coir mix and it
seems to do great without it. Maybe straignt coir/brf would benefit from lime.
Hipcat
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Re: 50/50+ (of sorts) made with coir [Re: Hipcat]
#367928 - 08/06/01 08:58 PM (23 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hip,
You have lost me a little. The above mixture is for a CASING material not a substrate. While interesting, I don't do cakes. Stragely, I have never actually fruited a cake. I have always cased. I prefer grain based substrates for my jars. I usually put in a little BRF or WRF (wild rice flour) for additional protein. The wild rice I use is from Wholefoods and has twice the protein as the best organic brown rices.
BTW, to update: PESAs and Mexi-Cubs have taken to this casing with a vengance.
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Re: 50/50+ (of sorts) made with coir [Re: TrippinRhino]
#368076 - 08/07/01 07:13 AM (23 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, my preference is rye also. I've never had great success
with cakes and anytime I tried them it was more of an experiment
rather than relying on them to produce. I always cased them too.
I guess that I just wanted to mention that if you have tons of
coir and wanted to experiment with cakes, coir can be used as
a substitute with better results than verm. I don't think I've ever
seen anyone mention using something other than verm. in
cakes and so I thought I would. Might be useful for anyone who
has problems finding verm.
Peace, Hipcat
PS - I'm gonna try your casing recipe!! I'll let you know how it
works on PR cubes.
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Re: 50/50+ (of sorts) made with coir [Re: Hipcat]
#368441 - 08/07/01 11:44 PM (23 years, 9 months ago) |
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You said ...Yeah, my preference is rye also.
When did i mention rye?
For Premium prints and cultivation info check out www.thehawkseye.com a supporter of the free spore ring...Edited by TrippinRhino on 08/08/01 12:54 AM.
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Re: 50/50+ (of sorts) made with coir [Re: TrippinRhino]
#389007 - 09/08/01 10:31 PM (23 years, 8 months ago) |
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I needed to come back and make an update. I have had an opportunity to see this casing in action...I have good and bad news. The good news is that is works quite well in promoting a nice pinset and is easily re-watered. Unfortunately, I have had troubles with cobweb mold and this recipe. As I have never really had much trouble with contams, I must assume it is the fault of the casing. Alas, I may try it again with a higher lime content. I would not recommend the forementioned recipe....Stick to the original 50/50+ recipe....I was silly!
For Premium prints and cultivation info check out www.thehawkseye.com a supporter of the free spore ring...Edited by TrippinRhino on 09/09/01 03:37 AM.
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Re: 50/50+ (of sorts) made with coir [Re: TrippinRhino]
#389019 - 09/08/01 10:43 PM (23 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have used aspen wood chip animal bedding and good mews brand kitty litter independantly as a substitute for verm in cake method. the wood chips are acceptable, except that toward the end of the nutrient supply, the cubes are still not able to fully digest the wood, and as the mycelium gets weaker, the substrate is vulnerable to contams that get into wood like dry-rot fungus, and cubes son't seem to have sufficient natural imunity to resist it.
just so yall know that there are working subs
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Re: 50/50+ (of sorts) made with coir [Re: tchyted]
#389158 - 09/09/01 02:15 AM (23 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why do you people keep talking about cakes? I am fucking baffled! I am refering to a CASING recipe. WTF!
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