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Offlinetom
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Phone Tappings
    #360899 - 07/25/01 08:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I am a paranoid fuck.

Is there any way to know if my phone is being tapped?

I have been hearing clickings that I have never heard before and I'm pretty worried.

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: tom]
    #360902 - 07/25/01 09:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, tom i think it is being tapped. i was hearing shit on my phone some years ago too. after that, all the ideas me and my friends were talking about (with games) were coming out a year and a half later and shit. at the time i was into videogames and shit. your phone is tapped.

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: tom]
    #361841 - 07/27/01 06:28 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hi Tom,
Many phone lines have pops, clicks and hisses in them. Basically its the phone signal being reamplified or its simply a power surge in the phone. If you have a phone thats on an older analog line instead of digital, you'll get many more pops, clicks and hisses.

Unless you're doing some "big" operation and have a criminal history, you're probably not being tapped. But remember, rule number one in this game is never....never.....NEVER talk on the phone about ANYTHING that you don't think people should hear!

By the year 2003, over 95% of cellular phones will have a tracking device in them. The government will use it in case of emergencies. The majority of 911 distress calls are made from ...well read it yourself:)

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,21781,00.html

hope that helps:)

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Lana]
    #362174 - 07/27/01 09:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, Tom, everything Lana said!! Lana your a pro!

From everything I have read, anytime LEO puts a tap on a phone you will never know, NEVER, b/c the tech. is much more advanced. The tap would be crystal clear!
And as she said, its very rare!

As she said, never say anything which could be used aginst you on the phone. Just a good rule of thumb.

Peace,
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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: soco]
    #363994 - 07/31/01 05:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

tom, dont listen to these people, u dont have to be doing a "big" operation and its not "very rare". jus dont talk business on the phone...that way whether its tapped or not it doesnt matter.



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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Planet Asia]
    #364040 - 07/31/01 09:04 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I knew I should have backed up the post on wiretaps.
It is a good thing to be paranoid. This keeps you from doing careless acts, and keeps you alert of specific situations. However it is BETTER to be informed and aware of any situation that may effect you or your freedom. For many, this includes communications. Technology is making communication so very easy, and it is making tracking the people communicating, or recording the information that is being communicated even easier. With the resources available today most anyone with a little money and know how can break into just about any type of communication, esp. telecommunications. A person with a scanner (i.e. BearCat) can listen to just about any telephone call they want to if its being made with a cordless/mobile telephone. In addition, it is not that hard to install a wiretap on a wired telephone. ANYONE!!! Leo does listen to telephone calls, they have and they will, even if it is totally against the ?law?. I am in no way an expert in the field of telecommunications, so no one should use my advice or thoughts for there own good, they should research the area themselves.

tom, dont listen to these people, u dont have to be doing a "big" operation and its not "very rare". jus dont talk business on the phone...that way whether its tapped or not it doesnt matter.

In 1999 in the United States there were only 1350 wiretaps authorized. This is all the taps authorized by the State Courts, and the Federal Government. Now I cannot even begin to make an educated guess at how many telephone lines there are in the US, but 1400 of them being recorded as taped is not a large percentage. Most of all the taps were for ?large scale criminal investigations that cross country and state boundaries?.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/stats/1999-report/wiretap99.pdf


In the year 2000 the number or wiretaps authorized totaled 1190. ?The most common method of surveillance reported was ?phone wire communication,which includes all telephones (landline, cellular, cordless and mobile). Telephone wiretaps accounted for 81 percent (927 cases) of intercepts installed in 2000; cellular or mobile telephones were involved in 691 wiretaps. The next most common method reported was the electronic wiretap, which includes digital display pagers, voice pagers, fax machines and email. Electronic wiretaps accounted for 8 percent (89 cases) of all intercepts. Microphones were used in 5 percent of intercepts (52 cases), and a combination of surveillance methods
was used in 6 percent (71 cases)?.
http://www.uscourts.gov/Press_Releases/wiretap.pdf

Now, I am not saying these numbers are correct. They are not!! It is the Government!! These are only the wiretaps that were authorized, and were needed to gather information to convict people, usually lots of people. There is still more wiretaps/ telephone surveillance that is used by the Leo. However, the average person, doing the average thing will not have a wiretap on their telephone! It pays to stay informed with these issues because it effects us worldwide!!
http://www.privacy.org/article.php?sid=744
http://www.uscourts.gov/wiretap00/2000wttxt.pdf
http://www.uscourts.gov/Press_Releases/wiretap.pdf

http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/stats/1999-report/default.html
http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/stats/1999-report/wiretap99.pdf


http://www.cdt.org/legislation/106th/wiretaps/

http://www.fcc.gov/


I hope this helps clear up some worries, and helps someone. But anyone with any common sense of any kind, or any culture knows NOT to say anything INCRIMIANATING on the telephone.

Peace,
SoCo


Edited by soco on 07/31/01 08:23 AM.



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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: soco]
    #364584 - 08/01/01 07:06 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

SoCo
WOW, cool post:)

I wish I had time to post it but, I had a reference to the federal prosecutors guidlines on how,why and when a wiretap can be implemented. I'll have to go digging for it:)

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Lana]
    #376265 - 08/22/01 10:20 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Who or what is LEO?

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: tom]
    #376448 - 08/22/01 03:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Well good news for all you UK people. It used to require the consent of a Magistrate to tap your phone. However thanks to Mr Straw and his Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, your phone can be tapped without a warrant for reasons such as 'for the purpose of preventing or detecting serious crime' and 'for the purpose of safeguarding the economic well-being of the United Kingdom'.


http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000023.htm

Edited by mm. on 08/22/01 02:37 PM.



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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: mm.]
    #376526 - 08/22/01 05:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

WOW!!!!!!!!!

I know a few folks in the UK..... and I'm sure its nice and all. But I have to say, thats the last place I would want to be if I was conducting any questionable business!

Then again, thats why the US declared independce from the UK :)

Ah, what am I saying, the US does the same thing probably:)

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: tom]
    #376536 - 08/22/01 05:45 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I have just a little to add, the clicking that one hears when his phone is legally tapped(in thge us) is not a result of poor technology...it there on purpose...they "legally" must make that sound to alert one that one is being tapped.its the law they have to.so the sound would always be the same and probably at the same interval of time....of course all that is assuming they follow the law...but the only way they can convict you is to do things "legally" ,well only if you can afford a lawyer...gotta love the land of the free where ya got rights only if you can afford a good lawyer........

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Giga_Funk]
    #376542 - 08/22/01 05:57 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, first off Tom I doubt you are being tapped if they had a reason to bust you they would just kick your door in, phone tapping is for big complex operations, not selling 8ths of weed! or whatever petty shit you're doing? relax! btw that picture you have is highly disturbing! I would watch my back just because of that picture alone!

second, do you honestly believe if your phone was tapped you would know by clicks and pops on the line? Are people this stupid? I hear this from a lot of people and its really a ignorant statement, why the fuck would law enforcement go through the trouble of tapping a phone if it made all this noise and gave them away, no they dont need to warn you that they tapped your line that is some real stupid shit it would defeat the purpose now wouldn't it, why dont they just mail you a letter telling you that they are going to tap your line? I wont even go into the details.

Lana, yep new phones will have GPS tracking but guess what? all cellular phones are trackable its called triangulation, you could be located within a 500 foot radius (roughly) I doubt you would ever be tracked but it is possible.
Another thing someone posted something saying you can listen to all cellular phone calls with a scanner, thats false you can only listen to analog(AMPS) phones (altho a lot of digital phones are dual band and switch when roaming) digital phones require some expensive hardware, nobody has hacked together some equipment from radio shack to spy on cdma/tdma phones yet, and gsm phones are even more difficult, I will spare the details, you are 'fairly safe' on a digital phone for now atleast.


Tom I suggest you get a life.

Lana keep scaring people with things you have learned/read!

To everyone else... if you believe helicopters are flying around your house looking for you, infred scans are looking through your walls when you're in the shower, your phone is making clicks because its tapped, there is a parked car outside your house tues-sat, bill gates reads your mail because of a backdoor in IE and he sent you a e-mail virus then just remember this "paranoya will destroy-ya!"



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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Giga_Funk]
    #376725 - 08/22/01 11:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

the only way they can convict you is to do things "legally"




Not so. The pigs rarely followthe law. It is standand procedure to commit perjury to get convictions. Pigs have commited perjury against me on the witness stand before, and I had a $500 / hour AV rated pit bulldog lawyer named Dean S. Hoover, one of the best in the state, and the judges' brother too. I got a walk on the case but that isn't because the pigs perjury got excluded, it was because the pigs got caught in their lie because they said witnesses heard me say what the pigs said I said. So my lawyer subpeonead the 'witnesses to the statement' and of course the cooberated that I never said what the pigs said I said because I didn't say it. And there was also an issue of the police mishandeling evidence. So the county prosecutor dropped the case to avoid losing at a trial. It's awful damn expensive to get justice. And I really was innocent of the thing, kind of ironic that of all the things I did the thing I get indicted for is what I'm actually innocent of. I hate the pigs. But those pigs will go to hell for commiting perjury so I feel better about that.



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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: tom]
    #376756 - 08/23/01 12:16 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Serum]
    #376763 - 08/23/01 12:31 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

First off, scaring people and telling them whats going on is a perception that only they can have.

Secondly, the one difference between you and I is that I don't doubt what CAN be done with todays technology. If you want to sit back and know that your gov't has the capability to follow you. Be my guest. I'm just one who doesn't like to be tracked so easily. As for this expensive equipment that it takes to listen in on digital lines well..... I don't know what you consider expensive:) But I can get an Omni Spectral Correlator for $9,950. Its a nice piece of change, but its not out of range for those who actaully want to do harm with it. (So you know, its just a high tech gizmo used to track phone calls).

And another thing. How do you know whats going on in ANYONES grow operation. You accuse him of not worrying over little 1/8's and petty amounts. For all you know he could be moving pounds. Contrary to what most people think about the shroomery being a bunch of kids....there are a few who do (may I pause) ... a few who do probably grow more then they care to admit. And wether its me or someone else "scaring" people. At least they'll know the truth.

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Lana]
    #376839 - 08/23/01 03:26 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I dont want to start a flame war here but I will respond to your post.

>Secondly, the one difference between you and I is that I don't doubt >what CAN be done with todays technology. If you want to sit back and >know that your gov't has the capability to follow you. Be my guest. I'm >just one who doesn't like to be tracked so easily.

Ah okay... I dont doubt what can be done, I understand what is possible and what is likly to happen in his situation, thats a logical way of thinking when you panic and get paranoid you think of everything but what is really happening, thats the difference besides it was a breif reply nothing technical.

>As for this expensive equipment that it takes to listen in on digital lines >well..... I don't know what you consider expensive:) But I can get an >Omni Spectral Correlator for $9,950. Its a nice piece of change, but its >not out of range for those who actaully want to do harm with it. (So you >know, its just a high tech gizmo used to track phone calls).

Yeah I have heard about it, and thats great if you would run out and buy one, the thing is if your phone was really tapped by some law enforcement group, that bug detection equipment would serve no purpose, all phone tapping is recorder at your local switch, sorry but cops dont sit in vans smoking cigs drinking coffee with reel to reel records listening to you talk on the phone via a crude electronic radio device wired to your line.

>And another thing. How do you know whats going on in ANYONES grow >operation. You accuse him of not worrying over little 1/8's and petty >amounts. For all you know he could be moving pounds. Contrary to >what most people think about the shroomery being a bunch of >kids....there are a few who do (may I pause) ... a few who do probably >grow more then they care to admit.

Well regardless I couldn't care whos doing what and I wouldn't post something like that to this forum even if I did know, and if people are not smart enough to figure out shit then you're in the wrong business it just comes with the territory, do your homework! 'I know of' complex hi-tech operations that are very well planned would make you piss yourself, this topic should be common sense. Anyway I will however appologize to Tom for being overly saracastic!

>And wether its me or someone else "scaring" people. At least they'll know the truth.

okay... I honestly can say I have not regarded your recent posts as too informative, scary in a alarming manner yes! and this seems to be a trend with people no adays (esp the media, maybe thats where i comes from), people post/talk nonsense that really serves no true informative/protective purpose just something to bug out about! (that is not completely directed towards you, just a general comment) that is the real weapon the gov't uses, its called ignorance.

like I said above I dont want to start a war here, if you feel the need to reply then do so just lets keep it on a mature level.



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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Serum]
    #376896 - 08/23/01 06:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Well said:) The media does play a large part in the reason some people have more paranoia than others. And do to everyones different circumstances..... the media can be right or they can be wrong:) No worries Serum, I don't partake in flame wars either. I do like a good debate though:)

Ah, its 6:44 a.m. here..... I have to go to work!!! I wish it was Friday!

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Lana]
    #376905 - 08/23/01 06:58 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I'm in the UK, and I don't think it's that bad. I bet most countries do this, but britain is one of the few that admit to it.

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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Phyl]
    #376912 - 08/23/01 07:51 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

From my observations, the US government are the most secretive little bastards on the face of the earth.
In the UK, the government admits to everything, and doesnt care what anyone thinks. Thats why people seem to think we have a shitty government.
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Re: Phone Tappings [Re: Serum]
    #982712 - 10/22/02 01:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

clicks and beeps on a phone line are sometimes signs that a private investigator has tapped your line, putting another load on your line. If law enforcement wanted to hear your conversations they would just monitor the microwave signal the phone company sends to their communications satellites, you would never hear a thing because they are not actually on your line.


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