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Offlinehubertd8
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Diff. Strains a Lie?
    #348025 - 06/24/01 06:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

well for those who have been here quite some time you would have probably noticed that all the cub. mushies are nearly identical. This leads to the question of why are there so many diff. types of spores varieties? Personally i doubt that spore venodors have this many diff varieties. Its far too easy for someone to come on to this page and say they have a new strain even though its just your typical B+. And no on will question this, either they are to gulable(sp?) or don't want to question or stand up to a vendor. And i'm sure someone will present the demographic issue, but why can't this just mean that someone took a p.cub from say mexico and grew it else were, so shouldn't these other mushrooms still be mexi-cubs ?

this has been on my mind for some time but with the rescent "new" spore varieties popping up, it just makes me question there authenticity(sp). And the whole thing with the variying degrees of say visuals or "body noise" well what makes you attribute this specifically to strain and not diff, substrates or sudle changes in growing parameters.

anyways just want to know what you guys think of this.



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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: hubertd8]
    #348035 - 06/24/01 06:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Different strains are only different because theyve evolved and
adapted to the environment where they are growing.. i think
Example: mex, ecquador, cambodia, hawaii amazon etc.
Im thinking if you grow enough generations of one mushroom
in controlled conditions (indoors) its characteristics will change
from the ones you got the print from just like the spores
at some point in the past migrated to different places and
adapted resulting in slightly different colorings, body shapes,
colonization rates etc. But they all look like shrooms to me!

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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: hubertd8]
    #348041 - 06/24/01 07:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Different strains provide differnt highs/vibes.
Ever notice that!



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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: Nagual]
    #348062 - 06/24/01 07:54 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nagual, indeed you are correct is your reasoning. Psilocybe Cubensis is of course the Genus and Species of this mushroom. Meaning that on some level, they ARE INDEED the exact same organism. Because fungi are highly adaptable and cycle through many generations in a year, they can evolve faster than say humans or elephants which have a much longer span between generations. Cubs are suited to life in many areas of the world and to my knowledge are the most widely spread psychoactive mushroom. One can speculate that they have been around since the early times of the Earth's development. As the continents moved and climates of different areas changed the fungus had to addapt or cease to exsist in the given environment. Different sub-species of Psilocybe Cubensis would have evolved differently in different parts of the world. Strains are sold as specimens of a given sub-species of P.C. for example: Cambodia, Equador, Mexi, etc. Theoretically, a Mexicub take to Cambodia would evolve charateristics more like the indiginous P.C. given enough decades. As for them looking the same, I agree and disagree. They DO look the same but yet different at the same time. Some differences being subtle some being more pronounced. They do look generally the same because they are the same species. Humans are the same species but we look differently in different parts of the world. The difference in potency and trip type is a subtle yet noticable from strain to strain to strain...For example, I find EQs to be more visual than some other strains, giving a clumsy feeling of 'shroom drunk' rather than the slightly amped feeling of PESAs. Given an infinate number of generations, in the same conditions, different strains would likely begin to loose identifiable differences.



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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: hubertd8]
    #348066 - 06/24/01 07:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

People who think different strains of psilocybe cubensis give you a different trip are really stupid..



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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: holographic mind]
    #348186 - 06/24/01 10:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.... There ARE different strains of cubes. SOME spore suppliers still have "ORIGINAL CULTURES" from which they provide spores. This is a very complicated question which has many answers to it. The most common one (which pops up 'round these parts) would be the placebo affect. In essence, the mind is more powerful than the mushroom. The more the mind aquires and learns about the mushroom the more it is able to distinguish between "bogus" strains and "original" strains. Remember this, psylocybe spores have been around for YEARS. Some suppliers have also been around this long. There is no way you can know how young/old your spores are(culture wize)... i suggest you read up on how mushroom potency degrades... peace

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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: BrownPastures]
    #348191 - 06/24/01 10:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nagual is right. It's called natural selection. That's why PF is so fucked up and easy to grow in indoor condition's. It has adapted. PC are all the same kind of shroom, they just have different characteristic's. Like human's, where all the same, yet there's nigro's,etc. They have evolved to a different climate than we have. It's all logical. That's why racist people are so stupid. They don't understand.LOL....fools.
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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: Glacius]
    #348269 - 06/25/01 12:51 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nagual=Negro
Thought i was a white guy huh? ;)
Different, yet the same.


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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: holographic mind]
    #348276 - 06/25/01 01:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

don't want to start a big flamethrower fight here or anything but trippin rhino knows his shit holo. not implying you don't, but you should not discredit other ppls theories without facts to back up your statements.

it is not unreasonable to hypothesise that different races of the same species of shrooms would produce different highs, yes the chemicals are the same but the way they are produced is, like physical appearance, a by-production of adaption and evolution.

this happens with cannabis plants too! not only different races either! the same race of cannabis grown in the same conditions will have a different subjective psychoactive effect if picked later or earlier during flowering. this has been studied by rosenthal and other and it is believed to be because of the CBD:CBN ratio in the resin crystals, and the change in ratio they undergo as the plant continues to mature...

i believe it is possible for the same thing to happen in shrooms..

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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: auto59009]
    #348301 - 06/25/01 01:47 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Same basic overall pattern (medium potency medium size warm climate
hallucinogenic carpophore) Different factors (POTENCY, size,
colonization rates, coloring, etc) Same AND different. Not hard to grasp.


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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: auto59009]
    #348326 - 06/25/01 02:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I understand what your trying to say auto. I beleive your hypothesise that different races of the same species have different effect's. Maybe it's because of there enviroment. Are all black people a little different than I, because they came from a different area?? Hmm, now you have got me thinking. I like to believe that different strain's give different effect's. That way there is a lot more to discover(like trying all the different strains and getting the effect's).

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    #348335 - 06/25/01 03:15 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: Jared]
    #348336 - 06/25/01 03:19 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah man. Same shit different flavor.

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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #348338 - 06/25/01 03:26 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

uhhh. okay.. So you're telling me that if I gave any of you out there a B+ and an Ecuador mushroom... you would be able to tell the difference between the highs? I highly doubt that anyone could tell the difference between different mushrooms when they are dried up and you can't tell the physical difference between them. I believe that there are different types of PC mushrooms only because that strain has been isolated and cultured for it's specific characteristics. Notice how the Tasmainian caps look a little hairy while the B+ looks clean? Well, if Darwin was right, survial of the fittest.... over a span of some years... we should see these mushrooms evolve and survival of the fittest (which means the biggest, badest, trippiest mushrooms) will prevail... just my two cents...

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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: celsius]
    #348349 - 06/25/01 03:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

If an instrument of your body was sensitive enough
you could detect the differences -on a chemical level- between different
strains. Its not a matter of belief Celcius, its a fact that
these mushrooms are found growing in different regions on this
planet and that each environment has slightly different temp
and rainfall and vegetation factors. Hence the SAME bacic
"Psilocybe Cubensis" label, as Jared pointed out they use
the same chemical structures, but they tweak themselves
to specific configurations which are connected
to the environmental variables. But if you can stand back far
enough in your own awareness EVERYTHING is coming from
one source so whats the point in pick pick picking at little details?
Eat trip and be merry

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Edited by Nagual on 06/25/01 04:08 AM.



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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: Nagual]
    #348372 - 06/25/01 04:56 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

A very intelligent friend of mine was telling me about something he had read on coffee, about why mountian grown coffee is better and more expensive, and why it will tend to give you a more smooth caffeine feeling as opposed to a sharp jittery caffeine feeling. He said it has to do with the length of the molecule chains in the coffee bean. Coffee grown in the mountains has longer molecule chains which produced a better caffeine buzz and is more expensive coffee. The shorter the molocule chains the more edgy kind of buzz the caffeine will give.
I really dont have clue about this at all, and I am certainly no scientist, but perhaps a similer kind of principle could be at play inside mushrooms. If it works for caffeine, then why not psilocybin?



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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: celsius]
    #348383 - 06/25/01 05:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

One more variable I must add is that I seldom have expirienced dried mushrooms. I do notice fewer differences between dried strains or no differences at all. However 90% of my expiriences have been with fresh picked, fresh chomped. I find the subtle differences between strains much more pronounced under these circumstances...



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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: TrippinRhino]
    #348428 - 06/25/01 07:15 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

They are all the same mushroom of course, Psilocybe cubensis, but the 'sub-strains' from around the world definately have some differences in appearance. As for potency, that can vary from mushroom to mushroom within the same patch. There may be some differences in the high obtained but a lot of that is also advertising hype.

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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: hubertd8]
    #348564 - 06/25/01 12:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Aliens did it, they innoculated different strains over the planet so we could trip diferently, like i do!!! :)
No really, fungus are one of the oldest living form in this planet, i'm surprised by the opposite, how the hell PC strains are so alike in appereance? , they had plenty of time to evolve diferently between them.
As for "highs", it allways come to my mind the coca-cola/pepsi-cola comparison, gotta get used to the product to tell the difference, go it?

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Re: Diff. Strains a Lie? [Re: MAIA]
    #348566 - 06/25/01 12:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

These are the only 3 types that one can "realy" tell apart, in my honest opinion.

1.Cube Vs. Pan Vars.
2.Cuve Vs. Azure
3. pan Vars. Vs. Azure

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