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Offlineorizon
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What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise)
    #1848786 - 08/25/03 05:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I posted this question as a reply somewhere else but didnt get much of a response...I was wondering if anyone knew which strain of the Psilocybe Cubensis was the most potent ratio wise...of Course a mushroom strain that produces a bigger shroom contains more psilocin than a smaller specimen but I need to know (part for part) what mushroom strain contains more of the funk. I cant seem to find this information anywhere and I think it is important to know for any cultivator. I mean if your deciding on growing the P.Cubensis why not grow the best one possible rather than spending your time growing a half ass strain.....Respond please if you know anything.
Thanks...Orizon


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: orizon]
    #1848792 - 08/25/03 05:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The differences between strains are minor. Pick one that's popular and grow it.


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: Sev]
    #1848809 - 08/25/03 05:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Go with creepers I think I'm in :heart:


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: orizon]
    #1848903 - 08/25/03 05:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Differences in alkalo?d content between strains of Ps. Cubensis are tiny if not absent. The variation in alkaloid content is mostly affected by your growing techniques. The better the circumstances, the more potent the fruits. It all comes down on you, dude! :smile:


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: koraks]
    #1848947 - 08/25/03 05:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: ph_plus]
    #1849826 - 08/25/03 11:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:  ph_plus  LOL, that was pretty funny  :lol:


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: ph_plus]
    #1850121 - 08/26/03 01:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

that essentially what i would have said, but i must say your wording was quite eloquent! :wink:

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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: koraks]
    #1850317 - 08/26/03 02:09 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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koraks said:
Differences in alkalo?d content between strains of Ps. Cubensis are tiny if not absent. The variation in alkaloid content is mostly affected by your growing techniques. The better the circumstances, the more potent the fruits. It all comes down on you, dude! :smile: 




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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: acidhead1279]
    #1850490 - 08/26/03 04:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That lovely mindfuck of psilo has more to do with the context it is taken in, than the content in the shrooms. The enviroment, your mindset, and even your metabolism and what's in your stomach will affect your trip more than strain of cubbies. However to get a definative answer I need everyone to send me 3 eighths of every known strain (even the ones that are just renamed knockoffs) and I and a team of researchers will use advanced pychoactice chemical extrators to understand what strain is more potent.


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: koraks]
    #1850492 - 08/26/03 04:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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koraks said:The variation in alkaloid content is mostly affected by your growing techniques. The better the circumstances, the more potent the fruits. It all comes down on you, dude! :smile: 




I must be an exellent grower than! :grin:


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: stefan]
    #1850514 - 08/26/03 04:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

you do live in the netherlands dude, i should hope so


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: acidhead1279]
    #1851628 - 08/26/03 04:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

All strains do not have the same potency. South Africans grown side by side with B+ using the same methods are about 30% less potent and yield about 15% less than the B+.

Those are the only strains AFOAF has grown side by side, so I can't commend on other strains.


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: Tantalus]
    #1851855 - 08/26/03 05:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It has been shown in studies that strains vary in potency. To say which one has the highest alkaloid content is impossible without testing. I have tried many, and have only had one strain that I would have considered weak. Then, within the "good strains", there are minute differences between each other in potency, sometimes noticeably different. There are quite a few strains to try, with most of them good. The biggest variations you will have is size, color, shape, etc. Potency will not vary to the extent that you will need a quarter of a poor strain compared to a gram of a good one to feel effects. They will all be similar to an extent with dose, but you will notice differences if you get to trying lots of different strains.

Some are very poor...
Most are average and decent...
Few leave an everlasting impression on you...

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of Course a mushroom strain that produces a bigger shroom contains more psilocin than a smaller specimen




This is entirely untrue. There are some strains that produce very little, almost puny mushrooms that are excellent. And there are also strains that produce large mushrooms that are good. With the opposite also being true (weak strains can come in big and large packages too). Basically, mushroom size has no direct relation to potency, only maturity when harvested effects potency. Sometimes size and maturity can be confused, immature mushrooms are smaller and have more alkaloids than a large overmature fruit of the same strain. A mushroom strain that is bigger will have more alkaloids because it obviously contains more total mass. But, the concentration of psilocybin per that mass does not have anything to do with size of the mushroom strain. It is determined by environmental conditions and genetics. When talking potency you must consider the concentration of active chemicals compared to the mass of the mushroom body.

This has been covered a million times already, but I find it is easier for me to type in the answer, than to search for a person and post the links... Try the search function though, it works well and you can dig up more info that you can digest. Especially on the great potency discussions that have been discussed over and over in the past. There is good info out there on the subject  :thumbup:
 


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: ATWAR]
    #1851943 - 08/26/03 05:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Don't worry about potentcy if you eat a couple caps you will trip. I've eaten a few diff strains and each one has a diff flavor of trip. Pick your fav based on personal experience. Personally I like SA.


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: Vertigo]
    #1851989 - 08/26/03 06:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

in my experience the darker blue they bruise the better they are. :smirk: :eek:
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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: uneasyone]
    #1852006 - 08/26/03 06:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yea i agree with uneasyone with the blueing

PRs are my personal fav


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: darkmaula]
    #1852171 - 08/26/03 06:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

From what ive have read, orrisa's give you nice visuals. so if you like visuals go for orrisa.


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: Osker246]
    #1852242 - 08/26/03 07:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The bluing of oxidation of the psilocin and when oxidation happens some of the psilocin is wasted but not enough to notice.


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: fee]
    #1852554 - 08/26/03 08:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I have heard most, if not all of the psilocin is lost during the drying process. There are analyzed contents of various Psilocybe species but from my knowledge, the samples were usually freeze dried. This would result in preserving the chemicals far better that our methods.

The methods of air drying and using heated dehydrators add to the acceleration of psilocin breakdown. The longer they take to dry, the more of the compound will be broken down. I assume most of the psilocin is lost with poor drying techniques, but bluing does not always accompany the breakdown. The bluing reaction in Cubensis can be a relatively good indicator of potency (but only vague, and only when fresh or re-hydrated). I believe most of it is lost during drying, especially since older mushrooms show little if no potency loss over time. I would figure that since psilocin is an inherently unstable molecule, that over time it would break down further, thus resulting in a larger potency loss over time than has been experienced.

What we are left with is psilocybin, which is converted to psilocin by the human body for our enjoyment. I think very little is left after fully dried, and placed into storage. It also explains why eating fresh mushrooms can hit you differently, with a quicker onset, and greater intensity. The psilocin is absorbed, instead of having the body convert psilocybin into the active first. Psilocin is very stable, evidence by my success with sun drying mushrooms with limited potency loss.

Now this is based on my observations and conclusions. Not really completely factual evidence, so believe it if you will.


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Re: What is the most potent P. Cubensis strain (ration wise) [Re: ATWAR]
    #1852587 - 08/26/03 09:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ATWAR is very very correct but thats not the question that was asked. yes when you dry them the psilocin is broken down, and you trip more off of fresh shrooms for sure. ive never tried freezing them.


but as far as the potency goes, yes it varies quite a bit, the 2 biggest factors i think would be substrate and strain.

as for strain get ahold of a puerto rican print. hands down THE most potent ps cubensis that ive ever had. they take longer to colonize and also are a PAIN to fruit but you are rewarded. off a simple BRF cake it took about 12 days to fruit from pin to veils breaking but 15 fresh grams of those equal more than 20g of any other ones ive tried.

and for substrate WBS and hay looove to make shrooms :smile:


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