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Story from Osho
    #3477778 - 12/10/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

from osho the book of wisdom

Once a Sufi mystic was brought to me. For thirty years continously he had used the Sufi method zikr, and he had attained great experiences. One could see it; even ordainary people were aware that he was living in a totally different world. you could see it in his eyes, they were shining with joy. his very being had a vibe of the beyond.
his disciples brought him to me, and they said, "our master is a realized soul. what do you say about him?"
i said,"leave your master with me for 3 days and then come back."
the master stayed with me for 3 days. on the 3rd say he was very angery, and said,"you have destroyed my 30 years' work!" because i told him a simple thing --just this sutra of Atisha: let even the remedy itself go...
i told him, "now for 30 years you have been remembering one thing, that all is divine. the tree is god, the rock is god, the people are god, the dog is god, everything is god-for 30 years you have been remembering it continously." and he really made a sincere effort.
he said, "yes."
i said, "now stop remembering. how long are you going to remember?
if it has happened, then stop remembering and let us see what happens. if it has really happened, then even after dropping remembering, it will remain."
it was so logical that he agreed. he said,"it has happened."
i said, "then give it a try. for 3 days you forget remembering, stop remembering."
he said, "i cannot stop, it has become so automatic."
i said, "you just wait and try."
it took him at least 2 days, 48 hours, to stop. it was hard to stop, it had become automatic. there was now no need to remember; for 30 years he had been remembering, it was simple there like an undercurrent. but within 48 hours it stopped.
and on the morning of the 3rd day he was very angry. he said,"what have you done? all the joy has dissapeared. i am feeling very ordainary, i am feeling the same as i was beforei started on the journey 30 years ago."
he started crying out of anger and out of sadness; tears started coming to his eyes. he said, "give me back my method-please don't take it!"
i said, "just look! if this is so dependent on the methos, then nothing has happened. it is just an illusionthat you are creating continously remembering. this is nothing but autohypnosis."


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3478289 - 12/10/04 08:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

how touching


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3478868 - 12/10/04 11:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Osho rocks.


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3479358 - 12/11/04 12:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I've recently contemplated a Zen koan that said something along the lines of: "Where were you before you were born?"

The past is merely a mental construct; it exists only in the time-bound psyche; it doesn't exist in the actual - Here and Now. The reason why so many people keep such illusions alive, through incessant, compulsive and obsessive thinking [thinking always and only takes place in time] is because: 1)they attach, cling, and identify themselves to their mind and it's thoughts and 2) the mind is merely a tool, an instrument that is the time-bound pysche, which is supported by the ground of the timeless awareness.

So when you combine 1 and 2, the result becomes neurosis. Neurosis is characterized by the excessive use of energy for unproductive purposes so that personal growth is hindered or stopped.

The remedy to the situation is self-realization:
You ARE that timeless Ground, Space; Spacious awareness.

That, is a cornerstone of Enlightenment.



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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3479898 - 12/11/04 02:11 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

For the uninitiated, "Osho" is more commonly known as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh- the notorious guru who swindled millions out of his followers while preaching a lifestyle of poverty (except for himself of course). He also had sexual encounters with many of his followers and maintained a fleet of dozens of Rolls Royces. He was convicted of immigration fraud and deported. He has since died.

According to my sources, he is currently occupying the third circle of hell where the poor bastard constantly attempts to set up a harem in vain even as his crimes are shown constantly on a large video monitor and are a great source of amusement to lower level succubi and imps.


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: Jellric]
    #3479948 - 12/11/04 02:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

so that means all of his teachings have no meaning?

He also had sexual encounters with many of his followers and maintained a fleet of dozens of Rolls Royces.

whats so bad about that?


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3480014 - 12/11/04 02:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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spudamore said:
whats so bad about that?




Direct contradictions of his teachings, perhaps?

You don't follow the teachings of someone who does not live those teachings. Either the teachings themselves do not work or the person does not know what the hell they are talking about. :lol:

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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3480034 - 12/11/04 02:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i remember that he didn't contradict, he was for sexual encounters and shared his truth of that. he was for money and wealth and he told his truths of that too.

from osho

have never dictated to you to do anything. I have never commanded you to follow me. I have never pretended that I am somebody specially sent from above to deliver a message to you. I am nobody's postman: I am simply doing my own thing.

Right or wrong, I am simply doing my own thing. If you feel that it is enjoyable, you are welcome. If you feel it is not worth your while, you are welcome to drop it again. There is no problem in it. It is not enforced on you.


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3480073 - 12/11/04 02:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That contradicts Jellric's statement, saying that the man preached a lifestyle of poverty, making millions by doing so... so, which one of you is right?

Since when is swindling unassuming people out of their life-supporting money a good spiritual practice?

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Re: Story from Osho [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3480129 - 12/11/04 03:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: Jellric]
    #3480151 - 12/11/04 03:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What are you doing in Hell in the first place, Jellric? :shocked:

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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3480176 - 12/11/04 03:14 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Oshos' therapies become more diverse and experimental as time went on, and in some cases came to involve physical violence and sexual aggression. By 1979, the ashram was decidedly and dominantly peopled by Westerners, and it was encountering problems with the surrounding society in Poona. The public displays of affection, smuggling of drugs by disciples, prostitution by some of the female disciples in Bombay, Rajneesh himself, and rumors of the therapies were all issues facing the ashram (Fitzgerald, 1986a: 85)."

I could go on and on..

Draw your own conclusions on this person and his "movement".
Sounds like a movement from the bowels of hell (according to my sources).


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3480189 - 12/11/04 03:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That contradicts Jellric's statement, saying that the man preached a lifestyle of poverty, making millions by doing so... so, which one of you is right?

does it even matter who is right, people are always going to have their own perspective on this topic. the only person that was correct was Osho. because he lived a lifestyle and shared his truths that he thought were correct.

Since when is swindling unassuming people out of their life-supporting money a good spiritual practice?

did he swindle? or were people unhappy with what he had to share and thus thinking he was swindling?

i don't know.


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3480324 - 12/11/04 03:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If I live a Charlie Manson lifestyle and send my followers out to kill people justified because spudamore says I "lived a lifestyle and shared my truths that I thought were correct" does that make it right?

does it even matter who is right?

Umm..yeah. I think it does matter who is right.

Dude, your moral compass needs re-aligning. Bigtime.


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: Jellric]
    #3480343 - 12/11/04 03:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If I live a Charlie Manson lifestyle and send my followers out to kill people justified because spudamore says I "lived a lifestyle and shared my truths that I thought were correct" does that make it right?

if you thought it was right.

Umm..yeah. I think it does matter who is right.

why is it so important for you to be "right"?

Dude, your moral compass needs re-aligning. Bigtime

hahahaha you don't even know what my morals are so how do you know it needs re-aligning?


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Edited by spudamore (12/11/04 03:56 AM)


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3480396 - 12/11/04 04:09 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

According to spudamore logic, "it doesn't even matter who's right"

So.. if I think it's right for my followers to go out and rape and pillage based upon my philosophy, that's fine and dandy?


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: Jellric]
    #3480502 - 12/11/04 04:39 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

if your followers buy into that your philosphy is right. you have already justified it right in your own mind, so who am i too judge your morals? what do i have to pit your morals agains? my own? soceities? if so how do you know if others morals are right?
america going to war was that moral? creating havoc, killing innocent people in their search of terrorists? what about there followers were they correct too?


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: spudamore]
    #3481389 - 12/11/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Does it help humanity to have people running around raping and pillaging?

Yes or no?


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: Jellric]
    #3481466 - 12/11/04 01:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Osho has no 'morality' so judging him according to your morality is a mistaken attempt to criticize the man. And, what his followers did is not a direct reflection of the man... or do the Crusades really exemplify Christ's teachings?


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Re: Story from Osho [Re: ergot]
    #3481641 - 12/11/04 02:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

And, what his followers did is not a direct reflection of the man... or do the Crusades really exemplify Christ's teachings?

Considering that the good Baghwan directed his followers to carry out his wishes, I do indeed hold him responsible for their actions. Who wouldn't? The Crusades were not carried out under the wishes of Christ and took place many years after his death. So your example is meaningless.

We're talking about a supposed spiritual teacher who preached a message of individual freedom while mandating a dress code, which included a large, pendant photo of himself. He mocked American materialism while wearing almost a million dollars in jewelry and being chauffeured in one of his 99 custom-painted Rolls Royces.

He also attempted to steal a county election in Oregon in 1984 using bioterrorism. He planned to contaminate the entire water system of the town of The Dalles on Election Day. His followers began by doing some test cases. First, the Rajneeshees poisoned two visiting Wasco County commissioners on a hot day by plying them with refreshing drinks of cold water laced with salmonella.

Then, on a shopping trip to The Dalles, cult members sprinkled salmonella on produce in grocery stores "just for fun." That experiment didn't get the results they wanted so the Rajneeshees proceeded to clandestinely sprinkle salmonella at the town's restaurant salad bars. Ten restaurants were hit and more than 700 people got sick.

Draw your own conclusions about the character of this "enlightened teacher".


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