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Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho
    #16200040 - 05/08/12 02:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

What do you all think about this article?

http://deoxy.org/psyhood.htm


Funny how sociopath's conditions fall RIGHT in line with religious views of 'possessed' people. Not even talking about murderers here; just traits like anti social behavior.


[quote]Psychologists, the New Priesthood
A question and answer with Osho

Question: Years ago I had contact with certain psychologists, and their ideas seemed to set me free. I found new ways to understand myself, and met people with integrity that I respected. I still love the poetry of psychology. Now, reading some psychologists writing about so-called cults, they sound like fanatics, priests and politicians. They want to control people, not to free them. Can you please comment.

Answer: That first idea of yours about psychologists was childish. There is no poetry in psychology.

Psychology is the latest instrument to keep people oppressed. Because the priests have failed, new priests are needed. The psychologists are the new priests, and obviously they have come with a new jargon, but the basis is the same.

The politician has been conspiring against you with the priest for centuries. But now it seems the priest has lost hold of people. Churches are empty, so empty that my people have purchased a church in Holland and are turning it into a disco. In fact, that is a good beginning. I would like all beautiful cathedrals and churches to be turned into discos. Now nobody goes there. They are cold and dismal and dead.

The politician is very cunning. He can see the priests have lost their hold - at least on the younger generation. He has to find a substitute. The psychologist has come in handy, because he speaks a different language than the priest. He pretends that his psychology is a science. That is absolutely wrong!

It is not science; how can it be science when Freud, Jung, Adler, Assagioli, are not agreeing on a single point? The four great psychologists—and not agreeing on a single point! Science always comes to an agreement. When the truth is known about anything, the scientist is humble enough to drop his prejudices and accept it. It does not matter who has discovered it, what matters is that it has been discovered.

But the psychologists are divided in so many schools—the same way as religion was divided in so many religions, so many subdivisions of religions, cults, creeds. The same is the situation now of psychology. But the psychologist does not bring God in, does not bring heaven and hell in. He has found different names for these entities. He does not talk about man in the old terms the priests have always used; hence, you got caught in their jargon.

The psychologists don't say that you have to become and ascetic, that you have to practice a certain discipline for years together, or perhaps for lives together, and then you will be liberated, no. They say psychoanalysis will do, just go on being psychoanalyzed.

I have never come across a single man whose psychoanalysis is complete. In fact, even Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis, is an unpsychoanalyzed person. I have been trying to psychoanalyze him, and I am finding treasures. I would not have believed it if somebody had told me that Freud was so afraid of ghosts that even the word 'ghost' was enough, and he would freak out.

Once, talking to Jung, his most intimate follower at the time—and Jung was very much interested in ghosts. He started talking about ghosts, and Sigmund Freud fainted. These are your founders of psychoanalysis. That was the point where Sigmund Freud and Jung parted. Jung could see, "This man, who cannot even listen to what I have to say about ghosts, and faints, is not going to be my master." And Sigmund Freud also realized, "This man is not going to be my successor." Sigmund Freud and Jung parted.

Listening to me, you may be thinking that Jung was very much more courageous that Sigmund Freud, because he was so interested in ghosts, but that is not true. He was interested in ghosts because he was very much afraid of death, and afraid of becoming a ghost!

Jung wanted to go to Egypt to see the ancient mummies of kings and queens preserved there. Almost ten times he booked his trip, but at the last moment he would find some excuse and cancel the trip. The tenth time, he even went to the airport; and the moment the departure of the plane was announced, he chickened out. After that, he never made any attempt to go to Egypt. He was very much afraid of a dead body. These people are certainly in need of much psychological help.

You say you were very much impressed. It was not that you had come across something very impressive, it was only because you were ignorant, impressionable—anything would have impressed you, you were just soft clay. Otherwise, to see poetry in psychology is insanity.

There may be some psychology in poetry, but in psychology?... In psychology you will find you psychologists talking about masturbation, schizophrenia, nightmares, all kinds of madnesses. I don't think you can find any poetry in all this. Nobody has found poetry in a medical book, and the psychologist is dealing with far worse sicknesses than any medical book can.

But the politicians found that a substitute is urgently needed, and psychoanalysis has become a worldwide movement. It was bound to. Sigmund Freud was a Jew, and whenever a Jew starts a business, it is going to become a worldwide chain.

What did Jesus do? He was a Jew. And Jews have not forgiven him yet, for the simple reason that they are angry with themselves for losing the great business that Jesus had made available to them. Now Christianity is the biggest business firm in the world. Sigmund Freud also made a great business out of psychoanalysis. Jews know how to do business.

Seeing that psychoanalysis was spreading fast, and people were trying to find the meaning of life, some hope, trying to get rid of despair—it was simple for the politicians to use psychology, psychoanalysis, psychiatry, in the service of the vested interests. That's what they have been doing.

Now you are a little more mature. Seeing what the psychologists are writing about cults, new movements—they are all against new movements, new religious beginnings—it is very simple to see that they are in the service of the past, not in the service of humanity's future.

They have been purchased. They are the new priesthood! Beware of these people. Because they are new they are more dangerous.

Now psychoanalysts, psychiatrists, are providing deprogramming. If somebody moves out of Christianity—bored with all its nonsense—and joins a new movement, the psychologists are offering their services to the parents, to the society. "Bring your boy or your girl and we will deprogram the person." And they do it. Of course, they charge enough money.

They can deprogram any cult: Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus freaks... I am surprised... Jesus himself was a freak. In fact, Jesus freaks are really doing the right thing; to follow Jesus you have to be a Jesus freak. Jesus was not a gentleman, not dressed in a gray business suit. You can think of him as a freak, as a hippie, or anything, but he was not part of the old conditioned mind. That's why he was rewarded with crucifixion.

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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: Wusha]
    #16200060 - 05/08/12 02:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Osho was a fraud and a conman. 'Nuff said.


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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #16200667 - 05/08/12 04:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Osho was a fraud and a conman. 'Nuff said.



care to explain or you just gonna ride your trail of self entitled truths?

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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: Wusha]
    #16201182 - 05/08/12 06:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I found the article interesting until it started talking about jews running the world because they are good businessmen. Sounds a bit far fetched to me.

Anyone with sense knows that the real reason jews run the world is because they are shape shifting mind controlling telepahtic reptiles from the planet Nibru who have come to mine Earth for it's precious gold.


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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: Wusha]
    #16201556 - 05/08/12 08:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Wusha said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Osho was a fraud and a conman. 'Nuff said.



care to explain or you just gonna ride your trail of self entitled truths?





I could explain again and again to every noob that drops by enthralled by this carnie barker

or

you could do some research.


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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #16210820 - 05/10/12 04:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

osho... bagwan shree rajneesh...
siddhis, dude...
we prefer the term "mind laundering" ....


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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: gnrm23]
    #16417505 - 06/21/12 10:21 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I really don't appreciate how some members do nothing but go around bashing threads as if their opinion is superior to others. Not cool, not mindful, no love.

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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: Wusha]
    #16417523 - 06/21/12 10:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This is a debate forum and the idea is to tear ideas apart to see if they function in reality.  It's you who have the wrong attitude here if anyone.


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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: Wusha]
    #16417601 - 06/21/12 10:36 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Automatic weapons + 33 Rolls Royces = paranoid, materialist con-man or Enlightened Master?

To anyone with a working brain, the answer is obvious.

:braindamage:


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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #16417763 - 06/21/12 10:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

He's said some dumb shit and some wise shit.

He's done some dumb shit and some gooood shit.

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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: Hobozen]
    #16417917 - 06/21/12 11:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Saying cool shit = easy

Living cool shit = difficult


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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #16417942 - 06/21/12 11:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Black or white.  Which one's it gonna be sir, you only got two options.

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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: Hobozen]
    #16417947 - 06/21/12 11:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

He was clearly a fraud. No question about it.


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Re: Psychology the New Age Priesthood? - Word by Osho [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #16418217 - 06/22/12 12:30 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Never questioned it here.

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