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Offlinemethikist
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The undecided?
    #3263370 - 10/22/04 02:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I hate hearing about this undecided people bullsh!t.

All that needs to be done to decide who to vote for is realize that the entire process is a farce, I mean, you can't ignore the elections, but it's crucial to understand that there is at least some semblance of difference between the 2 parties running. One is extremist, brutal, and dangerous. The other is probably the same but to a lesser degree. Rationally, the one to vote for is the latter option, but that's besides the point. The decision process should take no more than a moment to realize who to put into office, and then you can devote the rest of the time you were about to waste thinking about who to vote for and go back to your lives. Apart from that, many of us don't even care who is in office because the structure of the system inhibits democracy so badly that the official term for the USA is now a Polyarchy. Now the burden is upon people to develop a system where popular movements can be realized and make real demands. So to say you support Kerry should be an effort in pragmatism, not that you agree with any or all of what this system of lunacy has to offer.

Look at the next biggest democracy in our hemisphere - Brazil. They hold REAL elections where anyone from any socioeconomic background can contend and it works.

Check this out (below- (sorry for the bad formatting)), but that is all the people who are in office in Brazil, and the parties they belong too. None of this Dems vs Republicans 2 party system horse shit. Everyone knows it's all in servitude to the rich elite, and pays no attention to the majority of whom are working middle to poor class people. Your goal in this election should be to vote for the less democratically destructive one (a decision that should take you no longer than 25 seconds), and then continue to plan and organize popular movements towards a system with more accurate representation.

Partido dos Trabalhadores PT . 91 . 14
Partido da Frente Liberal PFL . 84 . 19
Partido do Movimento Democr?tico Brasileiro PMDB . 74 . 19
Partido da Social Democracia Brasileiro PSDB . 71 . 11
Partido Progressista Brasileiro PPB . 49 . 1 (-)
Partido Liberal PL . 26 . 3 (2)
Partido Trabalhista Brasileiro PTB . 26 . 3 (2)
Partido Socialista Brasileiro PSB . 22 . 4 (3)
Partido Democr?tico Trabalhista PDT . 21 . 5 (4)
Partido Popular Socialista PPS . 15 . 1 (1)
Partido Comunista do Brasil PCdoB . 12
Partido de Reedifica??o da Ordem Nacional PRONA . 6
Partido Verde PV . 5
Partido Socialista Democr?tico PSD . 4 . 1 (1)
Partido Social Trabalhista PST . 3
Partido da Mobiliza??o Nacional PMN . 1
Partido Social Crist?o PSC . 1
Partido Social Liberal PSL . 1
Partido Social Democrata Christ?o PSDC . 1
Source: C?mara dos Deputados resp. O Globo


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InvisibleAnnapurna1
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Re: The undecided? [Re: methikist]
    #3263930 - 10/22/04 10:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

unfortunately..it is impossible to change the 2-party system at the presidential level...its a little different in congress..but thats starting to change as campaign ad costs skyrocket under the new centralized media...


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Re: The undecided? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3263966 - 10/22/04 10:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I do not agree at all with the democratic party and not much with the republican party either. but i respect people who take a stand on something. i know people who vote for the person that everyone else is voting for, just to say they voted for the winner. they are like SHEEP.


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Re: The undecided? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3264135 - 10/22/04 11:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Annapurna1 is correct on this point. It's maybe not impossible to change the two party bit for presidents, but it is certainly way more difficult than it is to get a third party congressman elected.

Since presidents actually have very little power compared to the House and Senate, they depend on those in the House and Senate to get things done that they want to see done. This is obviously easier (though still not a lock) to accomplish if the president has the support of one of the two largest parties. Most of the time, the majority of the Republicans will help out a Republican president even if they might not agree with him completely -- out of party loyalty. Same with the Dems and a Dem president. But a third party president has no such built-in support system. He has to sell each and every initiative strictly on its merits -- he gets no "party loyalty" boost at all. Not an impossible task, but a daunting one for sure.

This is one of the reasons I would like to see a third party president (although I realize I'm unlikely to live long enough to see it happen) -- it removes the partisanship and forces the prez to make his case for any changes he wishes to see solely on the merits. Congressmen would be able to vote their conscience (ideally according to the wishes of their constituents) with no potential of being accused of "betraying the president".

Take the first step towards this ideal. Make sure you vote third party (preferably Badnarik, please) in this election. Thank you.

pinky


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Re: The undecided? [Re: Phred]
    #3264393 - 10/22/04 01:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My opinion of Undecided Voters:



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Re: The undecided? [Re: uno]
    #3264742 - 10/22/04 02:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

she got my attention.


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: The undecided? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3265546 - 10/22/04 08:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:wink:


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