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Best OTC trip
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for those of you guys who have never taken Valerian before, i suggest you try it. You seriously get these really intence, crazy dreams.  Combine it with melatonin and your gonna be set.

basic info
Valerian is like a muscle relaxer, whenever i take it alone, i usualy get really body tired, and want to go to sleep, but have a hard time actualy falling asleep, sometimes i've layed in bed for 2 hours just thinking... but not normal thoughts, wierd thoughts. laying there is almost like a half sleep, in that it's almost like i'm dreaming but not asleep.  if you take enough,  it's almost like your glued to the bed, and your muscles will actualy hurt if you move them (in a good way :grin: )

Melatonin is a natrual chemical your brain releases when it starts to get dark that tells your brain it's tired, so if you take it by itself, it will help you fall asleep faster.

Now, i usualy take about 400mg of valerian when i *need* to fall asleep. like if i have to get up in 6 hours. the good part about valerian, is that once you wake up, your super refreshed, and not all tired... it's crazy. Then combine that with about 9-12mg melatonin. i have the 3mg caplets, but i noticed that if i take too few, i'll be awake longer. so you take them about half hour before you are going to go to sleep.

way intence dreams, you guys should try it, a 50-90 pack of valerian (100mg) is about $4-8, and melatonin can range from $6-14, depending on the size of the bottle.  a few words of caution, is that you should take it all the time, cause i hear that it can build up in your liver and do damage, about once a week will be fine, but any more than that will be pushing it. Also,  the first time you take it, make sure you dont have to do anything the next day, cause your gonna want to sleep.

another thing i noticed is that sometimes, if you take it for the first time in a long time, the valerian will actualy kick in the next day a little bit as well.... it's crazy.


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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I dislike OTC highs but you could always experience schizophrenia and in high doses coma if you want. That was quite interesting for me.


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: d33p]
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ithier not even drugs, valerian is an herb, and melatonin, well, i dont know what they concider that, but it's pretty mild stuff...

i was looking at the internet and thier's a few people who have commented on valerian/melatonin combos and the crazy super dreams


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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I used to take melatonin daily, but I started to get depressed, and I think that was one of the causes. It's great to help get you to sleep though.

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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Redstorm]
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never tried the combo but when i had to quit smoking pot for probation i would take melatonin to help me to sleep sometimes and man let me tell you....some fucking crazy dreams. I have really vivid and strange dreams anyway...but with the melatonin it was like i never went to sleep...just into another life i was living or something.

Ive been wanting to try the valerian thing...i just dont think about it untill i have no cash :P


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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Phychotron said:
ithier not even drugs, valerian is an herb, and melatonin, well, i dont know what they concider that, but it's pretty mild stuff...

i was looking at the internet and thier's a few people who have commented on valerian/melatonin combos and the crazy super dreams



Ugh.... melatonin is a TRYPTAMINE. I guess you lern something new everyday ehhh?


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: d33p]
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hey, if my brain is producing it natrualy, i wouldnt really call it a drug, more of a 'boost' :lol:


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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There is DMT in your brain silly bear. The brain is quite amazing.


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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'bout it building up in your liver bebe, your liver gets bombarded by all kinds of crap it's good to take some milkthistle to flush it once in a while.. and I LOVE the dreams with that combo it's great. :thumbup:


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: AlmaTron]
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Should certain people avoid it?
Yes. "Those include women who are pregnant or nursing (since no one knows how excessive exposure to the hormone might affect a fetus or infant); people with severe allergies or autoimmune diseases (melatonin could exacerbate such conditions by stimulating the immune system); people with immune-system cancers such as lymphoma or leukemia (for the same reason), and healthy children (who already produce it in abundance). Women trying to conceive should also think twice about taking the hormone, since high doses can act as a contraceptive." As with any substance introduced into your body, if you have a medical condition you should always consult your physician first before taking melatonin.

Is melatonin safe?
Melatonin is one of the least toxic substances known. People have taken as much as 6 grams (600 to 3000 times the normal dosage) of the substance in carefully monitored studies with no sign of toxicity. Only four complaints regarding melatonin have been report to the FDA (USA's Food and Drug Administration). The only consistent side effect of high doses has been drowsiness and a slower reaction time. In the most extensive clinical trial to date a high dose of 75 milligrams of melatonin per day was given to 1400 women in the Netherlands for up to four years with no ill effects. The FDA reports that in the more than two years melatonin has been available for sale over-the-counter in the United States, no alarming side effects have been reported.


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: AlmaTron]
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What is pharmacy grade melatonin?
Natural, animal, or bovine grade melatonin contains the actual extracts of the pineal gland. Because it comes from animal tissue, this grade of melatonin may be accompanied by viruses or proteins that could cause an antibody response. We highly recommend that people stay away from it.Yikes we don't take that kind! 100% vegetarian*

The alternative is synthetic or pharmacy grade melatonin, which is produced from pharmaceutical grade ingredients. This form is molecularly identical to the melatonin that we produce in our own bodies, without unwanted extras.


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: AlmaTron]
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shit, go read the bottle right now... i hope i didnt pay $12 for a bottle of cowtonin


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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guess your not hookin me up with messenger tonite? ass
and no we don't have that shit.


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: AlmaTron]
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garhetts computer is bieng a dick, it wont let me download the 98 version using 2k, even when i change the settings...


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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Sounds like I could go for some of this stuff.


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: abhi]
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I wasnt aware that melatonin could damge the liver?
I've been taking it almost every night for a year or two, no problems.

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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: keepontruckin]
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no, valerian is the one you have to look out for


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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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Ah alright.
I don't take Valerian too much, maybe once a week, twice at most.

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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Phychotron]
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I'm going to try this tonight. Why does valerian smell like dirty catfish assholes though? Man that stuff stinks.

I have been having crazy dreams lately as it is, this should be interesting.

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Re: Best OTC trip [Re: Adom]
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yea, the stink just comes with it... do you ahve any melatonin? melatonin is key


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