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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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AlChemicalResearch said:
Enlil said:
Hitler didn't really kill anyone either, but he did, like trump, cause a lot of humans to die.



I mean with that type of causality so have you. How many people died making you your smart phone?


If you want to make a reductio ad absurdum argument, then what's the point of the discussion?  Everyone kills people.  No one kills people. What point are you trying to make with this fallacy?

The reality is that Trump has made decisions specifically intended to cause the death of people.  Is that killing someone or not?  How is this different from what Pol Pot did?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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WOW.... Donald Trump is the worst piece of human garbage to ever 'serve' the American people. 

Just dropping a general state of the Donald.  2 more years...  He's managed to infringe on the well being of nearly every human on earth. He's likely to kill so many fucking people.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
ShroomDad said:
People say Trump isn't Hitler, but there are several similarities. People say Trump isn't a dictator, but we all know he wants to be. Tries to be.

He has no morality or empathy, is driven by greed, lust, and narcissism, and he surrounds himself with freaks just like himself. 

The only thing preventing Trump from becoming Hitler is our Constitution and this nation's laws. Maga-Republicans want a dictator, it's lucrative.


Wheres your evidence for your calm all republicans want a dictatorship.  Also trump is not the hilter of the united states he is the pol pot of usa.


did vicepope just discover sealioning?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
AlChemicalResearch said:
Enlil said:
Hitler didn't really kill anyone either, but he did, like trump, cause a lot of humans to die.



I mean with that type of causality so have you. How many people died making you your smart phone?


If you want to make a reductio ad absurdum argument, then what's the point of the discussion?  Everyone kills people.  No one kills people. What point are you trying to make with this fallacy?

The reality is that Trump has made decisions specifically intended to cause the death of people.  Is that killing someone or not?  How is this different from what Pol Pot did?



Pol Pot was a genocidist. Engaging in acts of war doesn't make you a genocidal dictator.

If that is the bar then Abraham Lincoln is a genocidist no different than Pol Pot. And the argument could be made Lincoln was the first American dictator and more of a dictator than Trump. Trump isn't smart enough to wield power like a dictator.

Look, I hate Trump just as much as the next person, but I also think keeping language in tact and making sure words retain their meaning. Calling Trump a genocidal maniac because he bombed Iran is stupid.

Edited by AlChemicalResearch (09/23/26 12:25 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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People who say "I  hate  Trump , but " are usually lying about that . There's no room for the word but in the emotion of hatred .
  You can't hate a person but then be mad the shit people talk isn't perfectly accurate .


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Edited by Psilynut2 (09/23/26 01:22 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Your response on your feeling of trump reminds me of lawyer Dershowitz going on all the news shows saying how he was a liberal while arguing for presidential immunity for trump.

You are not racist either, even though you make racist based immigration arguments.

Edited by gww (09/23/26 01:24 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
People who say "I  hate  Trump , but " are usually lying about that . There's no room for the word but in the emotion of hatred .
  You can't hate a person but then be mad the shit people talk isn't perfectly accurate .


You can when you hate the destruction of language more.

it also gives MAGA a leg up on entrenching themselves politically. When they do something objectively bad, but every bad decision is akin to Pol Pot or Hitler, it makes you look unhinged. so for the people in the middle they'd rather go with people who are run of the mill corrupt as opposed to people who are so emotionally and politically unhinged you have no idea what they're capable of.


Edited by AlChemicalResearch (09/23/26 01:48 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
People who say "I  hate  Trump , but " are usually lying about that . There's no room for the word but in the emotion of hatred .
  You can't hate a person but then be mad the shit people talk isn't perfectly accurate .



theres a reason that there are a variety of sayings on this, all of which come down to "ignore everything before the 'but'"

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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AlChemicalResearch said:
Enlil said:
AlChemicalResearch said:
Enlil said:
Hitler didn't really kill anyone either, but he did, like trump, cause a lot of humans to die.



I mean with that type of causality so have you. How many people died making you your smart phone?


If you want to make a reductio ad absurdum argument, then what's the point of the discussion?  Everyone kills people.  No one kills people. What point are you trying to make with this fallacy?

The reality is that Trump has made decisions specifically intended to cause the death of people.  Is that killing someone or not?  How is this different from what Pol Pot did?



Pol Pot was a genocidist. Engaging in acts of war doesn't make you a genocidal dictator.

If that is the bar then Abraham Lincoln is a genocidist no different than Pol Pot. And the argument could be made Lincoln was the first American dictator and more of a dictator than Trump. Trump isn't smart enough to wield power like a dictator.

Look, I hate Trump just as much as the next person, but I also think keeping language in tact and making sure words retain their meaning. Calling Trump a genocidal maniac because he bombed Iran is stupid.


No one here called him a genocidal maniac except you.  Around these parts, we call that a strawman.

Lincoln was indeed very dictatorial.  Trump is more so.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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i see what you did there

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Lincoln enacted the draft.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
People who say "I  hate  Trump , but " are usually lying about that . There's no room for the word but in the emotion of hatred .
  You can't hate a person but then be mad the shit people talk isn't perfectly accurate .


Sure you can.  Im with AI 100% on that.  It is more important to keep people politically literate.  It's not difficult to articulate perfectly reasonable criticisms of Donald Trump.. so.. do that.

With that said... He's clearly NOT smart enough to be a true dictator,  HOWEVER... He is threatening to annihilate an entire nation.. So call him a "genocidal, wanna be, but too dumb to be dictator", is most fitting.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Awebig Throy] * 2
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Hitler is a complicated figure in history with a long story , there many ways in which modern political leader can be compared to some part of it . The comparison itself shouldn't  be an  automatic disqualification of your opinion .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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The things that are comparative should be the warning and called out hard.  We have seen the movie before and it ends bad.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
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It would be ignorant not to make the comparisons. Almost their whole strat is right out of the nazi playbook.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officials-letter-fascist-john-kelly.html

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/12/mussolini-trump-hitler-john-kelly-jim-sciutto-book


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww] * 1
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If you dare to compare Trump to Hitler make sure whatever you say isn't hyperbolic in anyway or I might just stop caring about all those little girls we blew up at the start of the war , the fact that I just paid  a fuckteen hundred and fifty  dollars for for gas an groceries that I have play explosive Russian roulette death squirts with ... Ill forget about it all .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Well... Equating Trump with Hitler does make you opinion seem pretty superficial.  They share being generally bad people, willing to disrupt the entire world and cause mass suffering.. but the likeness pretty well ends there. 

Hitler was a vicious, battle hardened WW1 vet, devoted ideolog who gained the respect and adoration of his entire nation through beer halls and grass roots political movements.  He was politically capable of resurrecting a pariah nation from destitution to general wealth and well being, then brought all of Europe into it's most devastating war AND systematically murdered millions of people.

Trump is a petulant, spoiled child, draft dodger with pedophile network ties; who was known for putting his name on things and treating women very poorly.  He lied his way to power, when there was simply little better to choose from.  He has destroyed the worlds greatest economy, depleted its military, likely because a foreign power has some kind of pee pee video, or some such... He may even wipe an entire people off the map to please this master... Sending the world into a dizzying chaos of suffering...

Frankly.. the more I think about it, the more I think Hitler will be looking down on him in hell.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Awebig Throy] * 1
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He rose to power based on lying and hating the other.  He is working hard to put that hate  into action.  He got great resource put to a military type force that is more under his direct direction.  He got great support based on hating the other from the american poeple.  He has not changed his mind, just as hitler didn't from his very early thoughts.

Hitler gave the people jobs building a war machine and using it.

Trump gave special jobs to people outside official positions to work in secret  against official american policy.  He was impeached for some of it and like hitler, it made him stronger.  Both him and hitler's roads are to destruction.

Edited by gww (09/23/26 07:09 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said:
It would be ignorant not to make the comparisons. Almost their whole strat is right out of the nazi playbook.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officials-letter-fascist-john-kelly.html

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/12/mussolini-trump-hitler-john-kelly-jim-sciutto-book


That only works to their advantage these days. They act like making that comparison has been cheapened. Meanwhile they made that comparison Obama's whole presidency because he made a lot of executive orders.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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Oh my god dude.. Trump absolutely fumbled into where he is today.  Hitler grinded his entire way with intent.  Trump is a big dumb bigot, it's true.  He leverages hate and stupidity, it's true.  You can find little sprinkles of similarity with any shit bag human, it does not make them equals.  Hitler was astronomically more focused, experienced, determined and intelligent.  You have to call Hitler principled, skilled and committed to his evil beliefs.. Trump is a moral idiot, drowning in his evil.

You don't need to make him Hitler to prove he is a bad guy.. in fact, it serves him, to aggrandize him.

So please... don't.

Because it is LIKELY that he will never be prosecuted for the things he's done... and it is MUCH better that the generations to follow see his as the lucky strike pig, lunatic child failure that he is... RATHER than some man of steel, near dictator, who was some controversial and complicated political mastermind.

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