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Salvia + Cannabis ~= Triptamines!
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Hello everyone,

I have something interesting to report that may be surprising for some :howyoudoing:

First of all, let me address the elephant in the room: yes, Salvia is scary. We all have read the horror reports, seen the videos or go through first hand traumatic experiences. However, I would argue, these experiences were bad primarily because of set and setting. In the early days when the substance went mainstream, people had no clue what they were dealing with and would do these insanely potent extracts. Imagine taking 80g cubensis concentrated in a single inhaled hit for your first time. Or taking 2g of dmt for your first time. Do you reckon that would be a good time? :rush:
Exactly. In my experience, plain leaf, whether smoked or in a quid is a very different experience. It is euphoric even though the substance is technically a dysphoric, it is entheogenic, and it has a spirit. :yinyangtrip:

Personally, I do not see any interest in going above 5x extracts, I can go plenty far in this range.

Now onto the main story. As an avid psychonaut, I sorely miss having a deep trip since I became a father. I simply do not have the time or energy yet to commit to the 6 hours a mushroom trip takes. But, on the weekends when the baby is asleep, I have dabbled with some low dose changa and that keeps me content. However, I am running out of changa and I donโ€™t have time to get more. Then, I remembered I still have a big bag of plain leaf salvia that I bought a long time ago. Sometimes, I would put it in cannabis joints but it was largely used as a filler rather than a psychoactive additive. If you hit salvia in a joint the regular way (at least my regular way) you hit it slowly, donโ€™t let it burn too hot, hold for 1 or 2 seconds and exhale. This is great for making cannabis consumption more efficient since less thc is destroyed, but not enough to activate salvinorin. So I decided to experiment:
Rolled a fat joint with roughly 50/50 grounded salvia leaves and some sativa cannabis. Furthermore, and this is very relevant to protect your soft tissue, I add a carbon filter so inhaled temperature drops as well as combustion byproducts. Then, I hit it hard. Hard enough for the tip to be red hot like a torch, and hold the smoke for 5-10 seconds. It is not that harsh because of the filter so this is easy to do, but you can also pull the filter a bit back so there is some empty space between the herbs and the filter to further cool down the smoke (be careful not to pull to the point of the filter falling ๐Ÿ˜…).

The result was fantastic. I was hit by a rush of euphoria, faint visuals starting populating my mind, and experienced a pulling sensation: an energy trying to get me to an outer dimension. In many ways, it resembled the triptamine experience: the camnabis provided the euphoria rush, the salvia brought the entheogenic energy, the synergy between the two sprinkled some magic on top.
:vibin:

The best part? It is weak and fast-acting enough that I can assess whether I have taken enough, and stacks decently enough that I can go deeper on command. It reminds of changa in that sense.
  If you hit like a cannabis joint, you will feel the cannabis only. If you hit it like I described, it hits like a psychedelic. You can alternate between the two as you ride the ship. It will let you know when you hit the optimal zone.

So I highly recommend this combo! Plus, plain salvia leaf is super cheap, something like 5 eur for 100gs. obviously, you should be careful and take it easy the first time you try it, and donโ€™t do it if you donโ€™t react well to cannabis. If you decide to do it, I wish you the best travels. :loveheart:


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Re: Salvia + Cannabis ~= Triptamines! [Re: odissey]
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it is lovely, but smoked salvia divinorum releases savinorin-A into the smoke-stream regardless of how hard it burns. there is no activation temperature.
joints of plain leaf are lovely. keep it cool.

actually tiny droplets of melted salvinorin-A are what reach the lungs and the blood carries that to the brain.

the vaporization temp of this chemical would burn our tissues.
poor now dead Daniel Siebert (the Salvia Divinorum Aficionado) did not correct the issue about torch lighters before his demise, but I told him it was messing people up by email several times.

his sites and legacy are now down.


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Re: Salvia + Cannabis ~= Triptamines! [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
it is lovely, but smoked salvia divinorum releases savinorin-A into the smoke-stream regardless of how hard it burns. there is no activation temperature.
joints of plain leaf are lovely. keep it cool.

actually tiny droplets of melted salvinorin-A are what reach the lungs and the blood carries that to the brain.

the vaporization temp of this chemical would burn our tissues.
poor now dead Daniel Siebert (the Salvia Divinorum Aficionado) did not correct the issue about torch lighters before his demise, but I told him it was messing people up by email several times.

his sites and legacy are now down.


Interesting! Is there evidence this is the case? I would think you do not need to inhale at vaporisation temperature, only that it burns at that temperature: the smoke quickly cools down during its path towards your lungs. 

On one hand, the fact that you can get slight effects from dry herb vaporizers at lowish temps is evidence for your statement, while the fact that effects are significantly more strongly felt when you burn it hard seems to contradict it. Or could it be that puffing hard is pulling more droplets rather than more salvinorin being vaporised?


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Re: Salvia + Cannabis ~= Triptamines! [Re: odissey]
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I've always wanted to try salvia since I first read about Daniel J. Siebert (1963โ€“2024).

I was sent some cuttings once but they died in the post, and being in Australia finding cuttings is difficult. Also back in the day when the extracts were over the internet it wasn't really around here so I never got to try it.

I got interested again more recently when Hamilton Morris tried the quid method and it looked like he was having a really, really good time.

Anyway,, this was like 20yrs ago on sagewisdom.org, way before anyone had made the salvia 5x and 10x stuff. It's now gone, but here is a time capsule of it Sageseeds.info

I recall he documented all about the history of the plant and traditional use, how to grow and propagate it  methods to extract and purify it, and I think he was credited for the first one to try smoking the pure extract.

All the novelty and accounts of what happened really captivated me since it was a new compound that acted on opioid receptors, something completely new for psychedelics.

And have literally just now learned he passed away in 2024 from a heart attack from alcoholism... that's not so great, maybe there was more to the story.

Anyway by the time all those crazy vids came along, firstly people being sent 5x 10x and trying it alone while filming it, the way they would describe it sounded a bit frightening but still really interesting.

Then people began tricking friends or passing it around as a party trick to people who never had it or were just expecting weed just to capture someone freaking out.

That's where the reputation was tarnished and  about here when this dude climbed out the window things got a bit dark..

:breakout:


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Re: Salvia + Cannabis ~= Triptamines! [Re: UnderNose] * 1
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I have a lot of experience with salvia and salvinorin-A

this thread should help https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4098635

and check out my journal https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6525644

also how I made the paper https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24882761


lately I mostly just use lsd and small amounts of coke


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Re: Salvia + Cannabis ~= Triptamines! [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
I have a lot of experience with salvia and salvinorin-A

this thread should help https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4098635

and check out my journal https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6525644

also how I made the paper https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24882761


lately I mostly just use lsd and small amounts of coke


Lovely write up! Thanks for sharing. So what is your experience with plain leaf? And do you have any tips for making quidding an easier process? I have only done it a couple of times with great effects but I loathe the process of chewing and sucking the plant material for so long.


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Re: Salvia + Cannabis ~= Triptamines! [Re: odissey]
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I like plain leaf in a fatty, a fat joint, with a nice paper filter, and an ashtray so that I can have a few tokes and let it rest and go out, then go back to it.

I have no advice about quidding at all, I think it is too messy for the results, and wastes too much material. you have to use 30 to 50 times as much, because absorption is so slow in the mouth and gut compared to lungs.

I would only take it in tea or orally if I had a stomach ache. It is soothing.


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Re: Salvia + Cannabis ~= Triptamines! [Re: redgreenvines]
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Ya know, I dunno how bad other people fucked up takin salvia if my dumb, fat middle school-aged self could do it and the worst thing that happened was I laid down on my homie's bed, laughing at his ceiling.

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