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shroomanic
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I'm trying to describe salvia here
#5741818 - 06/12/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So today I brokethrough. I've broken through everytime but 2 of those times I went too far and don't remember. I'm still coming down now. But it was like...Ms. Salvia wanted me to merge with her universe. And I remember something about letters. Like, she wanted everything turned into letters. I remember being really upset that I couldn't go back to my reality, and I tried thinking about my reality and it seemed just stupid and I couldn't understand it. I recorded the experience, and I just sat there and looked around for a bit then started swaying around and covered my ears because I didn't want to hear what Ms. Salvia had to say. Everything was trying to be merged into her world, and that was my mission or something. And letters...the letters. She likes letters. Oh, I just remembered a little thing.
This is basically lots of stupid rambling because I'm still tripping somewhat. People who have done salvia will know the indescribable experience that seems to last for hours, while it only lasts 3 minutes or so. People who haven't done it, I'm sorry. I'd recommend it. It's an intense confusing trip, but I think/feel, the more you do it, the more you can understand her world.
I have heard about people doing salvia and just being grateful to be sober and in reality. This experience definately made enjoy reality. When I compare salvia to shrooms, shrooms tampers with reality and bends it around. Salvia...instantly breaks it and you're just in some fucking alien world.
Maybe when I'm all the way down I can try to explain this more. Probably not.
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: shroomanic]
#5741840 - 06/12/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: lsdandfrisbee]
#5742225 - 06/12/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude is a salvia trip as good as the vision paintings done by Luke Brown (http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/artworx) bc if they are i NEED some for enlightenment.
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#5742294 - 06/12/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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imo No. Salvia just weirds me the fuck out most of the time. Ill take a bong rip then afterwards I wanna get that shit the fuck away from me. Those paintings in the link are can be interepeted as an LSD experience.
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#5742522 - 06/12/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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echoes73 said: dude is a salvia trip as good as the vision paintings done by Luke Brown (http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/artworx) bc if they are i NEED some for enlightenment.
YES. This is Salvia.
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: lsdandfrisbee]
#5742818 - 06/12/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lsdandfrisbee said: imo No. Salvia just weirds me the fuck out most of the time. Ill take a bong rip then afterwards I wanna get that shit the fuck away from me. Those paintings in the link are can be interepeted as an LSD experience. : :
you do know that your body has a reverse tolerance to salvinorin-A, the chemical in salvia and that you need to get rid of that b4 you can trip. i was told to buy an ounce of just plain leaves and smoke a joint of them everyday until i get a buzz then move on to a 10x extract which would really kick my ass then. i hope if i trip on salvia its like a luke brown pic, espeacilly the one posted above its my fav, love the trippy forest theme
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#5743237 - 06/12/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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echoes73 said: dude is a salvia trip as good as the vision paintings done by Luke Brown (http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/artworx) bc if they are i NEED some for enlightenment.
Shit that guys art is amazing at trying to accuratley portray the kind of visuals you get off hallucinogens like this, they look awesome there's so much detail in them aswell.
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: MindFood]
#5743296 - 06/12/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can you buy this shit locally(I mean the plant)?
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Edited by doctor_gonzo (06/12/06 07:41 PM)
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shroomanic
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: doctor_gonzo]
#5744048 - 06/12/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I buy salvia extract from a local smoke shop. I don't know what's up with me, but I don't hallucinate. I just feel like I'm one side of a zipper getting zipped up to form a letter or something and I don't understand "normal" reality and it seems stupid.
Why do I not hallucinate on salvia?
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: shroomanic]
#5744073 - 06/12/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iv'e been to the edge of the universe and back with salvia...
Let your mind go and you will meet me there 
I always use 20x standardized extract and I seem to always travel somewhere else after a big rip
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: shroomanic]
#5744173 - 06/12/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomanic............ Salvia doesnt work the same way as other hallucinogens. I have read that it fits into certain opiate receptors is the main reason for this.
Yours might not be very well developed for whatever reason.
The only people I know who dont trip off of salvia(hallucinate/see visuals) dont know much about hallucinogens. The reason those are the people who dont hallucinate visually, seems to be because they dont have very much experience with hallucinogens(they are the same people who say they dont get visuals from 1 gram of mushrooms). Most of those people have never taken lsd either. LSD seems to open doors that other drugs might not be able to as well. The more psychedelic your mind works the more easily you can trip VERY hard and see massive almost overpowering visuals from even the simple salvia leaf. You could almost say that extract creates massive visuals for all those who are very naturally psychedelic.
I would say that I have never seen anything like what is in those paintings when on salvia(lsd, mushrooms or dmt maybe), but a few of them ring a bell. Besides smoked DMT, ayahuasca.... salvia creates some of the most overpowering visuals for me, But they are unlike any other hallucinogen whether it be LSD, mushrooms, dxm, ketamine, datura, ayahuasca, DMT, harmaline, mescaline, amanitas.
I get massive tactile hallucinations and visual hallucinations from just the leaf. It is one of the only drugs that doesnt seem to create insane audiovisuals for me.
Edited by stemmer (06/12/06 11:26 PM)
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: stemmer]
#5744234 - 06/12/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia is like you're playing Zelda but fighting a metroid and then Ganon or Bill Clinton comes in with an advanced medical degree and shoots you with a spazer.
I enjoy it. It's important to clear the space around me, because once I almost dove through a glass table because I thought reality was moving and I had to move to keep up with it. A lot of people seem to never want to go back. A buddy smoked some and when he came down he kept on rambling about the "Triangle of Yak."
" i was told to buy an ounce of just plain leaves and smoke a joint of them everyday until i get a buzz then move on to a 10x extract which would really kick my ass then"
That's utterly ridiculous. Buy 10x or 20x, pack a (very) small bowl, and you should be flying.
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shroomanic
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: ultramarv]
#5744321 - 06/12/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stemmer, that makes perfect sense to me. And it seems like I've thought that before. I'm going to continue my salvia excursions and I should be running across some lsd soon. And, you mentioned not having visuals off of 1 gram. I ate an 8th of cyans and had almost no visuals. Crazy.
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: lsdandfrisbee]
#5744383 - 06/12/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lsdandfrisbee said: Salvia just weirds me the fuck out most of the time. Ill take a bong rip then afterwards I wanna get that shit the fuck away from me.
lol I hear you. I remember coming down from one particularly horrific "trapped in salvialand forever" type trip, realizing that my friend was hitting the bong. I was like "noooooo! don't smoke any more salvia right now!" I thought it would be a complete catastrophe if he hit more salvia before I had a chance to build reality back up in my head 
When I'm tripping on salvia, its like I've accidentally eaten the fruit of knowledge--the truths departed in there seem to harm "reality," if only by revealing its horrifyingly synthetic, mathematical nature... what is a room, if it can be opened up like a book and turned inside out?
Fighting it is the worst. The fear in there can be so intense that my mind instinctually fights back. I am way too incapacitated to just "let it happen" and "float downstream." These affirmations don't work in salvia space like they do on the traditional psychedelics.
Lately I've been taking sub-breakthrough trips, packing smaller pinches of 10x and not holding the smoke for the full 30 seconds. Its still pretty fucked, you can see/remember the cubes and mathematical ideas but its not so overwhelming that you think you'll never be the same.
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Re: I'm trying to describe salvia here [Re: Noviseer]
#5749745 - 06/14/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I organized this description of S. divinorum for a juxtaposition of salvia & cannabis:
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Lysergic_Milkman said: SALVIA:
The Visual-- 9/10-- One word describes the visuals of Salvia: real. Salvia is similar to Cannabis in that the illusions produced (in this case, the illusions could even be hallucinations) are often non-geometric and fantasy-like. The main difference is that Cannabis visuals are friendly and approachable and have a very clear and simple theme, while Salvia visuals aren't friendly or approachable, they're just there and they usually have no clear purpose [at the time that the experience occurs]. Cannabis is dream-like, Salvia is real. The visuals that salvia produce are so random and unpredictable that I couldn't possibly categorize them into one genre.
The Physical-- 10/10-- Salvia is by far the most physical drug that I have ever taken.
The physical sensations that one experiences on Salvia are so real and pronounced, that they are often frightening, even painful. These 'sensations' could be more accurately named physical hallucinations. The physical side could easily be the primary cause of most panic and stress for salvia users. When someone says that they "became a couch" on salvia, this isn't just a metaphor to describe a set of similar visuals and moods that the person experienced (like you might do with shrooms or acid), they literally "became a couch". The strange thing about physically becoming an inanimate object is still being capable of human thoughts and processes. This presents a most odd paradox: If you are a ferris-wheel then how are you talking with your friend on the phone if you don't have ears or a mouth?
The Trip-- 7/10-- The trip can also be summed up in one word: weird. The feeling you get from salvia is often pure confusion and just an overall weird feeling. In low or non-breakthrough doses, the trip is pronounced and the visuals and physical feelings may be completely non-existent (the reason why many people think that salvia is BS). When ever I smoke salvia without breaking through, I always say to myself, "Well, I definitely feel 'something', and I'm getting this really weird vibe, but I don't think I'm tripping..." I then proceed to do weird things, like walk around in circles and repeat weird, repetitive phrases of complete gibberish like, "JuJu CapaCapa DownDown..." I'll then catch myself doing this and say, "what the hell is wrong with me?" Then I'll continue doing it and catch myself again and say, "why am I doing this? Am I tripping?" ...
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expectations break down communication
I read posts that include complete cinematic dramas from people who declare they never hallucinate, and I hear descriptions of spatial and experiential distortions and remappings that are astonishingly visual from people who declare that no hallucinations are occurring, even while they can make arm gestures that outline shapes.
synaesthesia is definitely involved: you can feel color and hear shapes, technically they may not see anything like the painting.
For me that lovely painting is a bit too accurate or embellished in a literal mono-lithic way to compare with my "words won't help" all at once apprehensions of multiple dimensions, and or plastic salvia cartoon worlds.
maybe life is hallucination to varying degrees and complexity, something quite natural. Anyway, I think it is more about how you make your way than what it is called.
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