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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq]
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so when you spawn grain to sterilized wood chips, it doesn't matter if all the beneficials in the wood chips are killed off?... like it matters with indoor sterilized substrates?

and why does fermenting wood chips kill off competitive molds and fungi?  because of the anaerobic conditions?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: SawCeeJack]
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schmutzen said:
Is that sand underneath the flagstone?


Yes

SawCeeJack said:
so when you spawn grain to sterilized wood chips, it doesn't matter if all the beneficials in the wood chips are killed off?... like it matters with indoor sterilized substrates?

and why does fermenting wood chips kill off competitive molds and fungi?  because of the anaerobic conditions?


It is not a problem at all with sterile wood chips in my experience.

Fermenting under water for 14+ days is supposed to replace all of or most of the life with anaerobic life, which is no competition for the woodlover mycelium above water. The method is far from perfect but woodlover mycelium is very agressive and can fight off most competitors easily once it's established on wood chips ie when you inoculate a patch with wood chips spawn.

This year I'm just soaking my wood chips before I introduce the (sterile) woodlover spawn and see if it makes any difference. I think it will be just fine.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: mboehm]
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mboehm said:
Been waiting for this all winter! Got the ovoid bed started today. Best part is I get to kill some lawn and get a nice native woodland garden going.

Started by spading up and flipping the grass. Then a layer of spent soil from last years grow bags. Next a layer of fresh mulch. Then a layer of ovoid sawdust spawn. Capped with another layer of mulch. Each layer thoroughly watered in. Can't wait to see what its looking like in a few weeks!









A few weeks? Ovoid mulch beds take at least a year sometimes two years before they fruit


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 1
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Thanks for your help Tweeq!!

So preliminary to inoculating the fermented chips, you can sterilize some wood chips and inoculate THEM in a tub?  You don't have to pour grain spawn into the bag in front of a hood and mix up and reseal the bag?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: SawCeeJack]
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SawCeeJack said:
Thanks for your help Tweeq!!

So preliminary to inoculating the fermented chips, you can sterilize some wood chips and inoculate THEM in a tub?  You don't have to pour grain spawn into the bag in front of a hood and mix up and reseal the bag?


So that's a good question. This is the first year that I've inoculated tubs of sterile chips. 4 went great. 1 went to shit and was dumped outside.
Until now I had only been using bags and sealing them up. That works great too and sort of prolongs the sterile process.

I'm still undecided on what is 'best'.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: koods]
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koods said:
A few weeks? Ovoid mulch beds take at least a year sometimes two years before they fruit


Sorry, yes I have read this, thanks! I only meant I'm hoping to see some colonization of the mulch starting.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq]
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Very helpful, thanks!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: SawCeeJack] * 2
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Tweeq certainly has more experience than I do with cultivating, I guess what I was trying to say is that it isn't necessary to ferment and then sterilize.

Sterilization is a better/safer route than fermentation and will greatly increase chances of success.  I would not bring fermented only chips inside of my house.

I don't see it necessary to ferment and then sterilze, though some people do this method with good results.  When I sterilize chips they're only soaked and drained over night.  Fermenting and then sterilizing seems like overkill to me.

It's kind of a heated topic in here. :lol:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: schmutzen] * 2
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schmutzen said:
Tweeq certainly has more experience than I do with cultivating, I guess what I was trying to say is that it isn't necessary to ferment and then sterilize.

Sterilization is a better/safer route than fermentation and will greatly increase chances of success.  I would not bring fermented only chips inside of my house.

I don't see it necessary to ferment and then sterilze, though some people do this method with good results.  When I sterilize chips they're only soaked and drained over night.  Fermenting and then sterilizing seems like overkill to me.

It's kind of a heated topic in here. :lol:


Absolutely. I agree. To first ferment and then still sterilize defeats the whole purpose of fermentation. How that became a heated topic, Idk. Seems pretty obvious to me.

I'm not using any fermented chips this year though. And if it proves unnecessary, I might never again. It is a hassle after all. And smelly. Certainly not recommended to take into the house.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 1
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On the topic of fermented chips, is there such a thing as Too fermented? I have chips that will have been under water for 6 weeks before my spawn will be ready.  Bad timing on my part, I was shooting for 3 weeks.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 1
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Blopblop said:
On the topic of fermented chips, is there such a thing as Too fermented? I have chips that will have been under water for 6 weeks before my spawn will be ready.  Bad timing on my part, I was shooting for 3 weeks.


Last year, I used chips that had been under water for even longer than that for my Subaeruginosa. I was worried at first. Shit smelled really bad. But both beds did as good as ever. That's all the anecdotal evidence I have but it's making me want to say it will be fine.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 1
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Thanks Man, I appreciate the insight.🤘


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: schmutzen] * 2
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schmutzen said:
Tweeq certainly has more experience than I do with cultivating, I guess what I was trying to say is that it isn't necessary to ferment and then sterilize.

Sterilization is a better/safer route than fermentation and will greatly increase chances of success.  I would not bring fermented only chips inside of my house.

I don't see it necessary to ferment and then sterilze, though some people do this method with good results.  When I sterilize chips they're only soaked and drained over night.  Fermenting and then sterilizing seems like overkill to me.

It's kind of a heated topic in here. :lol:


yeah i wasn't gonna ferment then sterilize OR bring into the house... common sense.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 2
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Blopblop said:
On the topic of fermented chips, is there such a thing as Too fermented? I have chips that will have been under water for 6 weeks before my spawn will be ready.  Bad timing on my part, I was shooting for 3 weeks.


I've used chips that were submerged for four months. The crust on the surface looked disturbing, the water slimy, but they worked fine.
I'd picture the oysters growing on them if I were at home.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Tweeq, how did you sterilize the wood chips to make that tote? - you said there was two bags-worth in that tote, with 1qt of grain spawn. 

Did you sterilize them in the PC?  in bags?  how long?

I'm wondering if boiling the chips for a little bit like in The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek would work, or if long sterilization times are preferred...

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] * 1
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Generic said:
Tweeq, how did you sterilize the wood chips to make that tote? - you said there was two bags-worth in that tote, with 1qt of grain spawn. 

Did you sterilize them in the PC?  in bags?  how long?

I'm wondering if boiling the chips for a little bit like in The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek would work, or if long sterilization times are preferred...


I always sterilize my XLS bags, unsealed and folded/taped, in a 23qt Presto. I put an extra high rack underneath the bag so that it stays clear of the water and take 2:45 hours sterilisation time @ about 18/19 psi. For me they should weigh around 2.5 kg and have about 8 liters of chips.

I have inoculated bags like this with whole or half jars of grain spawn and both have worked great.

The chips can have sharp edges though and sometimes the bags get pierced in the pc as they contract. Those bags I used for the tubs. My reasoning was that the bags were already doomed before inoc and the chips would likely still be good (read: good enough). And this way the effort wasn't wasted.

If your chips are large and sharp you need to pack and treat your bags super carefully.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 3
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Thanks tweeq, I've been doing it that way too, thanks to you and others.

Here is a bag of wood chips w/ ovoid clone. - This bag is 8.6lbs (3.9kg)


The ovoid clone I started early this year is a clone from Nichrome's New Jersey culture, which may be a later fruiter compared to other ovoids.
Nichrome said:
The original spores were gifted to me and were collected from wild found ovoids in a park in Atlantic City NJ USA.  These are east coast native genetics. I find them to be unique to other ovoids in that they like to fruit in the early heat of erly summer/late spring. I have not seen any fall flushes with these.


I got an ovoid culture from WA, which originally came from Seattle / Alaskappalachian. - It's on grain now.
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The Washington ovoid clone came to me via alaskappalachian, who said: "Actually - fun fact: that ovoid clone may actually be an undescribed or super rare thing.  Alan Rockefeller made a visual guess at it, but considered it pretty unusual.  Wish I could find the photos.  Anywho, it looked rad." I couldn't find the post he refered to, maybe it was on Mushroom Observer or iNaturalist, but there is this one from way back, sadly with broken pictures: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14345636#14345636


I'm hesitant to run another culture of ovoideocystidiata, but i'm curious to see if these cultures are much different, east/west coast. 

Churp, what ovoid culture have you been tasting? 


What do you all think about differences in ovoid cultures?  fruiting times?  effects?  different species possibly? 

And how long have ovoids been on the west coast?  are they recently more common because of introduction/cultivation?  or have they been here all along

Ovoid love

(same ovoid clone in a bag of sawdust spawn)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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Generic said:
Thanks tweeq, I've been doing it that way too, thanks to you and others.

Here is a bag of wood chips w/ ovoid clone. - This bag is 8.6lbs (3.9kg)


The ovoid clone I started early this year is a clone from Nichrome's New Jersey culture, which may be a later fruiter compared to other ovoids.
Nichrome said:
The original spores were gifted to me and were collected from wild found ovoids in a park in Atlantic City NJ USA.  These are east coast native genetics. I find them to be unique to other ovoids in that they like to fruit in the early heat of erly summer/late spring. I have not seen any fall flushes with these.


I got an ovoid culture from WA, which originally came from Seattle / Alaskappalachian. - It's on grain now.
Quote:
The Washington ovoid clone came to me via alaskappalachian, who said: "Actually - fun fact: that ovoid clone may actually be an undescribed or super rare thing.  Alan Rockefeller made a visual guess at it, but considered it pretty unusual.  Wish I could find the photos.  Anywho, it looked rad." I couldn't find the post he refered to, maybe it was on Mushroom Observer or iNaturalist, but there is this one from way back, sadly with broken pictures: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14345636#14345636


I'm hesitant to run another culture of ovoideocystidiata, but i'm curious to see if these cultures are much different, east/west coast. 

Churp, what ovoid culture have you been tasting? 


What do you all think about differences in ovoid cultures?  fruiting times?  effects?  different species possibly? 

And how long have ovoids been on the west coast?  are they recently more common because of introduction/cultivation?  or have they been here all along

Ovoid love

(same ovoid clone in a bag of sawdust spawn)


We are slowly learning now that many of the California "ovoids," are actually Psilocybe aquamarina based on DNA sequencing.

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/315388673


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] * 2
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I think they're relatively new here. Unless it's an environmental stage thing like pelliculosa normally come first then cyanescens a few seasons later. I live amongst the timber farms and pelliculosa always show up first. Usually within the first and second years post tree harvest.
I'm also at lower elevation so once they begin to become scarce cyanescens begin to become more plentiful.
Over the last few years I've also found ovoids on spring dog walks so I believe that climate change is playing a role. I'm not really fond of ovoids and have only cultivated them once many years ago so I'm pretty sure it's not me importing them. Unless there's other cultivators near by.. which I can't rule out lol.
I do know that I have successfully imported allenii however. Found a few on the property last year no where near the pots and beds.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: letstakeatrip]
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Ah this is true. I can't rule them out either.. though I'm a lot further north than Cali.

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