Enlil said:

dinosaurs said:

if we're not going to utilize socialism everyone might as well tool up and live like GTA V players.  the entire fucking point of society is to band together to do things we couldnt do otherwise.

I dunno about you but if it was up to me on my own, my street wouldn't be paved to the corner, let alone beyond.  I wouldn't be able to afford a military, or a system with trucks and people hired to pick up my trash and take it to a designated place.  or a 24/7 system where I can make a call if my house catches on fire, and people will show up and expend great effort to save my shit.

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That's not socialism, though.  The military, and roads, and government services aren't the means of production of goods.

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Psilynut2 said:

That doesn't mean you have socialism as economic system though . You just have some services provided  by the govt . .

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Blue Cthulhu said:

So if our tax dollars fund the research that leads to Pfizer’s latest vaccine/drug, and then Pfizer sells that product at exorbitant rates to the public and pays its CEOs huge salaries and bonuses, how does that fit in?

It’s like pretending to be socialism (public is footing the bill) but then turns out to be exploitative (public then pays for the goods and makes no profit).

Some call it corporate socialism. Some call it a kleptocracy. It’s certainly not a “free market” with “no government interference” the way capitalists would like to frame it.

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Blue Cthulhu said:

So if our tax dollars fund the research that leads to Pfizer’s latest vaccine/drug, and then Pfizer sells that product at exorbitant rates to the public and pays its CEOs huge salaries and bonuses, how does that fit in?

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And then how do unions fit in? I’ve met with a union organizer, he explained it like this: a company generates a certain amount of revenue; it’s like a pie, and who gets to decide how that pie is divied up? Should a couple head honchos get to decide because they know what is best? Or should there be a shared decision making process that ensures that workers get fairly rewarded for their efforts, and protected in case they are harmed, disabled, etc.

Not to mention, are the present owners of the companies who make the goods even the ones who founded the company or invented the goods or novel means of production? No, it’s a bunch of parasitic private equity groups swooping in and raping a company before escaping, letting the company go bankrupt with just its bare bones baking in the sun.

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SirTripAlot said:

Never understood the leap that publicly owned instantly equated to better service, pricing, and access.

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SirTripAlot said:

Moreover, here is an dirty little secret...all of the flaws that we may have....we lead the world in pharmaceutical innovation, development, and implementation ...no one comes close.

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SirTripAlot said:

Never understood the leap that publicly owned instantly equated to better service, pricing, and access.

Moreover, here is an dirty little secret...all of the flaws that we may have....we lead the world in pharmaceutical innovation, development, and implementation ...no one comes close.

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