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Re: Buisness seeks "unlimited immigration" [Re: Alex213]
    #6032375 - 09/05/06 07:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

When I started I worked my ass off for minimum wage. Then I became valuable. There was no immigrant competition because there was no shortage of indigenous labor (as opposed to the lazy trainspotting limeys who would rather import a plumber than be one. Or work at all.).


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Re: Buisness seeks "unlimited immigration" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6034219 - 09/06/06 05:29 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
When I started I worked my ass off for minimum wage. Then I became valuable. There was no immigrant competition because there was no shortage of indigenous labor (as opposed to the lazy trainspotting limeys who would rather import a plumber than be one. Or work at all.).




It's not about "shortages of indigenous labour", it's about immigrants working for less money than the indigenous labour. You would never have got your nose in the door if there had been unlimited immigration. Immigrants would have worked twice as hard as you could ever dream of for a third of your salary.

Just get down on your knees and thank God there were limits on immigration in those days that saved your ass.


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Re: Buisness seeks "unlimited immigration" [Re: Alex213]
    #6034364 - 09/06/06 08:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

you haven't yet provided any support for the claim that immigration causes unemployment. if it were true, you'd have a point and i'd agree with you. it's not.


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Re: Buisness seeks "unlimited immigration" [Re: Alex213]
    #6034490 - 09/06/06 11:02 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
So you support unlimited immigration?




Of course not and neither does the article you posted, to wit, and I will highlight for the enfeebled of mind the relevant qualifiers:

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Business leaders seek 'unlimited immigration' from new EU states

The leaders of Britain's biggest businesses employing millions of people have called on the Government to allow unlimited immigration from Bulgaria and Romania when the two former Eastern Bloc states join the European Union next year.

They said any break in the "open door" policy that has seen hundreds of thousands of migrants from Poland and other eastern European countries come to Britain would be a major mistake.




These business leaders are asking that the EXISTING immigration policy to permit free travel for work WITHIN the EU be CONTINUED. Not even close to unlimited, is it there Alex, in spite of your lieing Annaesque thread title?

And as psilomonkey reports:
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A lot if the 'skill gap' they are talking about is in the construction industry, plumbers, electricians, plasters, brickys etc..




Lazy Limeys won't do these jobs so businesses and their customers pay immigrants MORE, not less, to do them, and yet unemployment is on the rise. If it wasn't for Polish plumbers you wouldn't have a proper throne from which to concoct your excuses for being unemployed. "It's The Man's fault that I can't get a job." Even though employers pay more for immigrants than locals.

The relevance of my own experience to this is in response to psilomonkey, who bemoaned the Government's lack of apprentice programs. I say make your own and don't rely in the Government to do it for you. So did almost every other contractor I know (a few of them had parents in the business). You are responsible for almost everything that happens in your life and you can either try or wring your hands about how difficult everything is and how unfair and oh me oh my whatever will become of me and why didn't you help me and put more powder on my behind it still chafes to this day and mommy I want to go back in it's scary out here. C'mon, you're a smart boy. Surely you can rise above the idiot faction that actually, you know, toils (horrors) to feed themselves and maybe do better. What am I saying? (smacks self in head) Striving is only for ignorant proles who don't understand how they are viciously exploited by The Man. You're way too clever for that ruse.


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Re: Buisness seeks "unlimited immigration" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6034675 - 09/06/06 12:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Please read my post, I am not bemoaning government lack of anything. I think government should keep the fuck out. Government training schemes are always a joke. The regulations on tax, insurance, certifications etc.. they put on sole traders and small businesses have made in uneconomical to employ unskilled workers in this country.

In my own industry the government has introduced unlawful interference in private contracts (IR35) that mean they will override a private contract between an individual and an enterprise, if they think it looks like an employee. It us currently being challenged in the courts and there have been some good progress, hopefully it will be struck down soon.

Edit: As for my own experience, I mostly paid my own way through university, doing factory, clerical, retail, warehouse (just about anything that was going basically), got a good degree. Got a job with an ISP straight out of uni. Self taught myself about networks from talking to other people in the industry, books, looking at other people's designs etc.. And after 10 years I am most definitely in the 'upper tax-bracket' of earnings, am a home-owner in the UK and have a nice place in spain. So like you I am 100% for sorting your own life out.


Edited by psilomonkey (09/06/06 12:50 PM)


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Re: Buisness seeks "unlimited immigration" [Re: psilomonkey]
    #6034701 - 09/06/06 12:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I saw the "I blame the government" part and thought you were referring to a lack of government trade schools, not government throttling of enterprising individuals. My mistake. Or your's for being unclear. Doesn't matter, we seem to actually be in agreement here.


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Re: Buisness seeks "unlimited immigration" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6034707 - 09/06/06 12:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed we are, not all 'Limeys' are lazy socialists.


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