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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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I'm happy to see a valid source that proves me wrong.

But for months all I've seen is fearmongering from democratic senators. They've been lying through their teeth about what's really happened with Medicaid and Social Security. Trump hasn't touched EITHER beyond "Waste, fraud and abuse."

This includes illegals on the program, and dead people who were still being cut checks. (Which were being CASHED.)

Don't people even care that was happening? Or did you all drink the kool-aid of, "Trump is cutting the peoples' medicaid!" so hard you didn't even look into the god-damned truth of the matter?


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Edited by FoolOfElysium (06/20/25 12:28 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/2016-tax-brackets/

Now
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-releases-tax-inflation-adjustments-for-tax-year-2025

Technically if you make 2 dallors more an hour compared to 2016 you just break even with inflation and taxes. Anything else is gravy for us poors.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: vicepope]
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Get me the 2020 stats, not the 2016 stats, and then I'll look and compare both. Don't wanna bother until that happens.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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FoolOfElysium said:
Quote:
Social security was cut by $220 billion and Medicare by $880 billion.



This is a total and complete lie that I will presume you've just bought and are parroting, so I forgive you.



I see the chasm between our people, maybe its in how we treat death.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 1
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 4
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FoolOfElysium said:
Windmills have been proven to leave horrible waste behind in various ways. They are not efficient.

Social security was not "gutted." It hasn't been touched beyond fraud. You're buying into lies. I say that with love, not animosity. Social security is fine.

I can't speak of the rest, but you're missing the forest for the trees if you think a President has the power to fix all these problems without congress.

It's the entire reason Trump has to clean up the deep state. This all just goes around in circles unless the root of the problem is weeded out.



Let’s take a minute to reflect on this. Nobody is building windmills. They are building wind generators. It’s a common mistake that Trump makes too. Now you could give the benefit of the doubt and say “well that’s what he means when he says wind mills” but the problem is that he’s a self proclaimed expert on the matter, just like you are trying to be. People that are actual experts and not just people that think they are smarter than everybody else tend to use correct terminology when discussing the topic they are an expert in. Especially when wind mills are used to make flour and other milled grains and wind generators are used to make electricity. That’s an important distinction that surely a real expert would care to note. People that are blowing smoke up your ass talk like plebs and act like experts. Trump being a great example.


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Edited by christopera (06/20/25 05:29 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera] * 2
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see that same shit in the cultivation boards all. damn. day.

self professed noob experts that use the wrong terminology and bad practices to 'one up' experienced TCs.

never gets old
:laugh2:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 1
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FoolOfElysium said:
KevinDontWave said:
FoolOfElysium said:
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Exactly. Trumpers are either stupid or delusional and tell themselves that billionaires actually care about them



The flaw in your thinking is that all billionaires are de-facto evil.




You don't get to a billion dollars by being a do-gooder.



It's called balance, because this world is ruthless.

Those in cushy countries simply let their leaders handle the ruthless parts for them.



i don't understand your reply.

FoolOfElysium said:
I'm happy to see a valid source that proves me wrong.

But for months all I've seen is fearmongering from democratic senators. They've been lying through their teeth about what's really happened with Medicaid and Social Security. Trump hasn't touched EITHER beyond "Waste, fraud and abuse."

This includes illegals on the program, and dead people who were still being cut checks. (Which were being CASHED.)

Don't people even care that was happening? Or did you all drink the kool-aid of, "Trump is cutting the peoples' medicaid!" so hard you didn't even look into the god-damned truth of the matter?



illegals aren't getting social security, they pay into it though. the dead aren't getting paid either. i think elon was even asked about this and responded with "we are going to make mistakes". i'm sure you've seen the information out there regarding the coding language used by the social security administration. the waste or fraud or whatever is accidental overpayments. i remember something like less than one percent of payments made by the administration were "improper" across a time span of several years. fraud would be a subset of the "improper" category. pretty darn good numbers.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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GenesisCorrupted said:
Look a normal person can get fined $5000 and it'll ruin them. That doesn't mean shit to a billionaire.
So that's directly hurting poor people. Do you understand that?



i remember reading about the railroad being fined for some kinda non-compliance. 40k per each day of non-compliance. like 15 million for a year's worth. if you're taking in a few billion dollars per year that's like 4/10ths a percent of your income. fines should scale with the wealth of the offender.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenericHero] * 2
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the deathstar argument against DOGE:

-with all the asserted fraud amongst the cuts, where are the fraud charges?


and in a similar vein, where are the ICE charges against employers for hiring "illegals?"


thats how you know this is about perpetuating trump/musk corruption and racism, (DOGE disproportionately targeted entities with critical oversight of elon's business activities) not actually anything in the best interests of the country.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenericHero] * 1
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rail logistics involve massive amounts of money and anyone thinking 40k is much of a deterrent is a fucking idiot.

fines are a way of stratifying the impact of criminal penalty across layers of wealth.  they essentially make particular activities particularly illegal to those less affluent.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs] * 1
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dinosaurs said:
(DOGE disproportionately targeted entities with critical oversight of elon's business activities) not actually anything in the best interests of the country.



it dulls my discriminability that dummies decided doge delivers decency. let's give the money addict keys to everything. what could go wrong?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenericHero] * 1
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Doge has not got the numbers to prove what their claims were. They have been discredited. Their boss has been fired. And essentially, the workforce has been dissolved into the various government agencies that already were tasked with the literal description of what that organization was. A whistleblower from doge that was fired for attempting to root out fraud was actually talking on NPR today.

Essentially, it got disintegrated.
What it did do was serve as a mechanism to fire a ton of people. That have been since getting rehired in some cases, in others the job is completely replaced by AI.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 3
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US Army appoints Palantir, Meta, OpenAI execs as Lt. Colonels


tell me more about how trump is fighting the "deep state"

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs]
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He’s so deep undercover that he’s forgotten about the mission already.
Albeit from the looks of it that may as well have been part of his mission.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs]
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dinosaurs said:
the deathstar argument against DOGE:

-with all the asserted fraud amongst the cuts, where are the fraud charges?


and in a similar vein, where are the ICE charges against employers for hiring "illegals?"


thats how you know this is about perpetuating trump/musk corruption and racism, (DOGE disproportionately targeted entities with critical oversight of elon's business activities) not actually anything in the best interests of the country.



When all the hard working undocumented are gone we'll be left with just the gang members. I've is too pussy to actually go into gang territory so they go for the low hanging fruit like women children elderly and regular hard working laborers.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
FoolOfElysium said:
Windmills have been proven to leave horrible waste behind in various ways. They are not efficient.

Social security was not "gutted." It hasn't been touched beyond fraud. You're buying into lies. I say that with love, not animosity. Social security is fine.

I can't speak of the rest, but you're missing the forest for the trees if you think a President has the power to fix all these problems without congress.

It's the entire reason Trump has to clean up the deep state. This all just goes around in circles unless the root of the problem is weeded out.



Let’s take a minute to reflect on this. Nobody is building windmills. They are building wind generators. It’s a common mistake that Trump makes too. Now you could give the benefit of the doubt and say “well that’s what he means when he says wind mills” but the problem is that he’s a self proclaimed expert on the matter, just like you are trying to be. People that are actual experts and not just people that think they are smarter than everybody else tend to use correct terminology when discussing the topic they are an expert in. Especially when wind mills are used to make flour and other milled grains and wind generators are used to make electricity. That’s an important distinction that surely a real expert would care to note. People that are blowing smoke up your ass talk like plebs and act like experts. Trump being a great example.



This is my favorite reply you've ever made to me, and you've made some solid points. I'm no windmill expert, and have no problem learning more on this subject if you have more arguments.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/2020-tax-brackets/
2020
Vs
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-releases-tax-inflation-adjustments-for-tax-year-2025
Done.



All seems rather equal to me. Both 2020, 2024, and all categories of earners, proportionally, with only slight changes.

If I've missed something you see that I don't, feel free to point it out.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
Doge has not got the numbers to prove what their claims were. They have been discredited. Their boss has been fired. And essentially, the workforce has been dissolved into the various government agencies that already were tasked with the literal description of what that organization was. A whistleblower from doge that was fired for attempting to root out fraud was actually talking on NPR today.

Essentially, it got disintegrated.
What it did do was serve as a mechanism to fire a ton of people. That have been since getting rehired in some cases, in others the job is completely replaced by AI.



Actually I think D.O.G.E.'s main mission was to find corruption on people in D.C. that were stealing money from taxpayers. It's "front" was "cut government spending." Both were true, but only one was public.

Case in point:

https://nypost.com/2025/06/13/us-news/usaid-official-pleads-guilty-to-taking-part-in-550m-bribery-scheme-violated-the-public-trust/

I expect more stories like this to follow. We're just getting started.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 5
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that case was brought during the Biden administration, you fucking idiot.  its just now wrapping up.

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