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OfflineGazzBut
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What makes me a lefty?
    #3082564 - 09/02/04 02:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I know that many of my "rightie" friends here would instantly label me a "leftie"...I hate labels and would prefer the suitably pompous title "post political" (Deliberate hypocrisy btw  :grin:)

I was just wondering what exactly it is about my belief system that makes me, or any of the other supposedly port side people on the board a "lefty"?

I know this may sound like an obvious question but Id be interested to know what you think.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: GazzBut]
    #3082589 - 09/02/04 02:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

GazzBut said:
I know that many of my "rightie" friends here would instantly label me a "leftie"...I hate labels and would prefer the suitably pompous title "post political" (Deliberate hypocrisy btw  :grin:)

I was just wondering what exactly it is about my belief system that makes me, or any of the other supposedly port side people on the board a "lefty"?

I know this may sound like an obvious question but Id be interested to know what you think.




If you believe in social responsibliity and compassion, you're probably a lefty. If you think people should pull themselves up by the bootstraps and fend for themselves, you're more to the right. Peace = left, war = right. Civil liberties = left, Corporate welfare = right.

Etc.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: GazzBut]
    #3082610 - 09/02/04 02:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why are you making a thread about yourself on PA&L? Should we call you EgoButt instead?


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: unbeliever]
    #3082621 - 09/02/04 02:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you believe in social responsibliity and compassion, you're probably a lefty. If you think people should pull themselves up by the bootstraps and fend for themselves, you're more to the right. Peace = left, war = right. Civil liberties = left, Corporate welfare = right.

you've got it all wrong my friend.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: ]
    #3082654 - 09/02/04 02:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, a libertarian, for example is certainly to the right, and for civil liberties... which in reality is a "liberal" idea. Now, they probably are not for corporate welfare, but they're likely for corporate freedom.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3082708 - 09/02/04 02:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Go away!


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: ]
    #3082731 - 09/02/04 02:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So Mush, what do you consider the main beliefs to be which make up your typical lefty?


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: GazzBut]
    #3082739 - 09/02/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Go away!




:lol:no


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3082762 - 09/02/04 02:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ok....stay. You will obey me one way or the other!!!


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: GazzBut]
    #3082777 - 09/02/04 02:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You're a lefty because you lack rational thought and common sense (not a flame, just an observation)....no offense ofcouse.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: ]
    #3082810 - 09/02/04 03:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
If you believe in social responsibliity and compassion, you're probably a lefty. If you think people should pull themselves up by the bootstraps and fend for themselves, you're more to the right. Peace = left, war = right. Civil liberties = left, Corporate welfare = right.

you've got it all wrong my friend.




In what way?

Anyway, my answer was mostly snarky exaggeration. You can be liberal in different ways. For example, I am socially liberal which falls under the "left" wing. Fiscally however I'm conservative, which is more of a "right wing" ideal. If someone was totally left (I'm reminded of the line, I'm so liberal I have two left feet) they would be, basically, socialists or even communists. It's important to note that I don't say either of those things in the pejorative sense in which they are often used. If I had to choose between socialism and it's opposite, totalitarianism, socialism would win by a mile.

That said, socialism would never work in a country the size of and as diverse as the united states. Communism is even worse in that sense, it really only works at the tribal village level and not always then.

In a way it's sort of like the christian (or at least mormon, I honestly don't know if the other sects espouse it) idea of the two plans that were "offered" to God for this planet. One was satan's idea of everyone being FORCED to be good so they could all obtain the kingdom of heaven whereas Jesus (that hippy) offered freedom of choice, plus the whole dying on a cross bit. Apparently Jesus was the better salesman and here we are. Oh shit. I just compared the right wing to Satan. Ooops. But yeah, the analogy (if you can take it out of the theocratical context) still holds in my opinion, to an arguably variable degree.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3082814 - 09/02/04 03:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are you suggesting that all "lefty"s lack rational thought and common sense? Logic doesn't hold solid with any shifts in premise.

BTW - this is an aside-
i think your avatar is interesting in that it certainly *Seems* anti-American, especially with the fact that the flag is fairly transparent on a black background. That in itself would suggest to me of a dwindling American constitution or something like that. Humm. don't mind me, just voicing what i see in your avatar.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3082828 - 09/02/04 03:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
You're a lefty because you lack rational thought and common sense (not a flame, just an observation)....no offense ofcouse.




It's true, at it's extreme, the leftist ideal can include the hope that mankind does not have to compromise themselves and their values with reality. The opposite extreme however is to make everyone else conform to your idea of a perfect reality. Personally I prefer the introverted approach, but obviously neither extreme is healthy.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: vampirism]
    #3082851 - 09/02/04 03:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Actually both Democrats and Republicans lack rational thought and common sense.

my avatar represents my inner strife...... :smirk:

never use that word "Anti-American", it's so Anti-American.  You're close actually.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: GazzBut]
    #3083371 - 09/02/04 05:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Your support for social programs is what stands out to me.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: GazzBut]
    #3084238 - 09/02/04 08:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A "lefty" looks to the government to solve social ills. A "righty" looks to the government to secure American interests and force their morals on people. A libertarian realizes that government is the problem.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: GazzBut]
    #3084267 - 09/02/04 08:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

on this board, just about everyone favors "personal" liberty, but there are a good number who don't extend their support into matters of production and exchange (the market). those who don't are called lefties, and those who do, righties.


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: GazzBut]
    #3085411 - 09/03/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was just wondering what exactly it is about my belief system that makes me, or any of the other supposedly port side people on the board a "lefty"?

For a start, you're definately a communist if you don't believe what George Bush and Tony Blair told you about Iraq  :laugh:


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: Xlea321]
    #3086320 - 09/03/04 08:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ya, gotta watch out for communists like Evolving. :rolleyes:


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Re: What makes me a lefty? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3086323 - 09/03/04 08:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:rotfl:


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