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Do you "like" the US government?
    #2912384 - 07/21/04 03:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Simple question: Do you like the US government, in its current form with its current leadership?
Do you like the US government?
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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: trendal]
    #2912391 - 07/21/04 03:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

nope. I like the government in it's structure but not the leaders we have today.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: trendal]
    #2912397 - 07/21/04 03:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No. It has gone way too far from its original inception to the point of being almost unrecognizable from its Constitutional basis.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: trendal]
    #2912426 - 07/21/04 03:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I detest the current leviathan status of my government.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: trendal]
    #2912481 - 07/21/04 03:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would need to be given some credible alternatives in order to make a decision. I love America. I am a flag waving, god fearin, country lovin American. I also love lipstick lesbians. The greatness of America lies not with our governement, but with the American people. The more we can leave to the hands of the people instead of the crats, the better off we will be.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: trendal]
    #2912488 - 07/21/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am a Jeffersonian, the less government involvement in our lives the better. The reason I back Bush so much is that I hate the thought of the most leberal ticket imaginable leading us in these times. We need strong military leadership right now....


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: coralrives]
    #2912491 - 07/21/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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coralrives said:
I am a Jeffersonian, the less government involvment in our lives the better.



That conflicts mightily with a Bush vote as your signature would indicate.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2912497 - 07/21/04 03:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

The greatness of America lies not with our governement, but with the American people.




Well put, but lipstick lesbians run a close second.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2912504 - 07/21/04 03:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Ancalagon said:
Quote:

coralrives said:
I am a Jeffersonian, the less government involvment in our lives the better.



That conflicts mightily with a Bush vote as your signature would indicate.




Read my post agin... I knew that was coming and made a quick edit. Also, the GOP is traditionally for LESS Government in folks lives, whereas the Dems want Government to run your lives. This is a root issue and not in dispute. The problem is the Patriot Act which CONGRESS passed in a desperate measure to thwart more terrorism. However I do not fear the Patriot Act as much as I fear a Nuke goin off in downtown somewhere.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: coralrives]
    #2912588 - 07/21/04 04:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Read my post agin... I knew that was coming and made a quick edit. Also, the GOP is traditionally for LESS Government in folks lives



In theory, but in recent years, the Republicans have shown that when they have total control, all their values go out the window.

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whereas the Dems want Government to run your lives.



You're fooling yourself if you think it's just the Democrats that want that. Look at gay marriage, drug prohibition, corporate welfare, the Patriot Act, anti-sodomy laws, laws against teaching evolution, abortion, stem cell research, etc., and you'll find many Republicans have no problem whatsoever with intervening in people's lives.

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The problem is the Patriot Act which CONGRESS passed in a desperate measure to thwart more terrorism.



And guess whose gem of an idea that legislation was.



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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: coralrives]
    #2912591 - 07/21/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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We need strong military leadership right now....



Ya, like the kind that a well-decorated Vietnam Veteran could provide.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2912604 - 07/21/04 04:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you dont think the liberals want to have more of a hand in YOU life YOU're nuts Silver Soul. Lets at least try to be honest here...
Tax and Spend ring a bell?????


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2912608 - 07/21/04 04:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
Quote:

Read my post agin... I knew that was coming and made a quick edit. Also, the GOP is traditionally for LESS Government in folks lives



In theory, but in recent years, the Republicans have shown that when they have total control, all their values go out the window.

BACK THIS UP PLEASE

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whereas the Dems want Government to run your lives.



You're fooling yourself if you think it's just the Democrats that want that. Look at gay marriage, drug prohibition, corporate welfare, the Patriot Act, anti-sodomy laws, laws against teaching evolution, abortion, stem cell research, etc., and you'll find many Republicans have no problem whatsoever with intervening in people's lives.

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The problem is the Patriot Act which CONGRESS passed in a desperate measure to thwart more terrorism.



And guess whose gem of an idea that legislation was.

AND GUESS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS VOTED AGAINST IT?


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: coralrives]
    #2912613 - 07/21/04 04:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

AND GUESS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS VOTED AGAINST IT?

How many republicans voted against it?


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: coralrives]
    #2912617 - 07/21/04 04:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There's more ways of intervening in people's lives than taxes. By the way, at least with "tax and spend," you get current revenue and don't spend more money than you take in. The way Bush is spending, we'll be paying it all back with interest a few years down the road. You may think he's giving you a tax break now, but in the big scheme of things, he's still taxing you just as much as the Democrats.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: coralrives]
    #2912622 - 07/21/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

First of all, please learn how to use the quote function. Second, I'm aware that the Democrats pussied out when it came to the Patriot Act, and I'm not defending them. As for backing up my statement, read the post you quoted under the part where I mentioned examples of Republican intervention in people's lives.


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Re: Do you "like" the US government? [Re: coralrives]
    #2912624 - 07/21/04 04:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you dont think the liberals want to have more of a hand in YOU life YOU're nuts Silver Soul. Lets at least try to be honest here...




I don't want to put words in his mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he was arguing DEGREE, I think he was arguing PRINCIPLE. Sure, a case can be made that when you get an aggregate of decisions made on personal and economic liberty, Democrats tend to want more government intervention into people's lives than Republicans. But I do not see that as a 'plus' or 'upside' to Republicans, that they violate the constitution 'slightly' less, that they expand government 'slightly' less. If you are truly Jeffersonian, you should be absolutely disgusted by both major parties. Thomas Jefferson would NOT choose the lesser of two evils.

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Tax and Spend ring a bell?????



It could be argued taxing and spending is 'less bad' then what GW is doing, that is spending and having one or two generations down the road pay for it through taxes(plus interest). DO NOT FORGET INFLATION EITHER, perhaps the most insidious of taxes.


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    #2912639 - 07/21/04 04:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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    #2912654 - 07/21/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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