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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2669402 -

what about the idea of laying geltabs with DMSO instead of water?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2669550 -

not sure how dmso would work in the gel, or even if it aids much in absorption, as I have used it orally with salvinorin and although it holds more than alcohol it does not take it into the blood any faster.
but I do love lsd gels - (haven't seen 'em for years).
you would need at least 5mg or 6 mg salvinorin each. you might have to atomize (spray) an alcohol or acetone solution of salvinorin over a gel sheet to do this project.
I bet I would love salvia gels too, but they would be a bit expensive ~2$ to ~3$ for the active ingredient each plus the labour for the gel - I guess it would end up being 8-10$ retail for a 90 minute experience at level 3.
probably twice that for immaterial level.
the problem with salvia is that it clears so quickly, oral absorption is very slow.
looking at surface area, lungs have thousands of sq mm of alveoli that do rapid IO with the air compared to the few hundred in the mouth, salvinorin enters lung so fast that a threashold is achieved amazingly quickly.

the best advance would be a puffer like asthmatics have.
maybe one which you could press a couple of times during inhallation for hardheads to get their threashold. Each squeeze could be atomization of 350 mics - 450 mics (~20cents worth). For 200 hits I would pay $100 bucks for the convenience of a puffer. someone could make a good 40% margin or more.


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Edited by redgreenvines (05/12/04 04:38 PM)

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2669669 -

well this isnt about money, honestly i just want to create somthing new in the psychadelic world. and while salvia is still legal i would like to help people expierence somthing new.

well there is alot of information here, and i am getting a bit confused. most likely the best way for me to figure all of this out is to extract salvinorin and do some trials on myself.

keep an eye out for my extraction thread, i think i am going to start with 4 ounces of leaf from mexico, as i hear mexican salvia has a higher percentage of salvinorin.

however if anyone has anymore information on the practicality and dosage of salvinorin blotters ot gels, please chime in!


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2686662 -

I dont condone what you are doing, with people doing this I see the legality of Salvia being put on a hotline to Schedule One.

Salvia is not a drug of slow controlled onset like LSD which comes in blotter form.
I can see people selling Salvia as LSD and really getting some negative attention.

We must respect and use these plants for ourselves, and not worry if anybody else wants to get "fucked up" on a "new psychedelic". Protect Salvia, take my advice. Please.

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: Effed]
    #2686791 -

this actually makes lots of sense.
actually
Effed said:
I dont condone what you are doing, with people doing this I see the legality of Salvia being put on a hotline to Schedule One.

Salvia is not a drug of slow controlled onset like LSD which comes in blotter form.
I can see people selling Salvia as LSD and really getting some negative attention.

We must respect and use these plants for ourselves, and not worry if anybody else wants to get "fucked up" on a "new psychedelic". Protect Salvia, take my advice. Please.


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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2687645 -

it does indeed, and I think it's true words of wisdom, none of us want salvia outlawed and this means we need to keep it out of mainstream attention as much as possible. Yes salvia may be harmless, but the majority of people won't understand salvia and what people don't understand they become afraid of and what people are afraid of they outlaw...especially in the mind altering substance catagory. There are probably lots of people who would enjoy and benifit from salvia, but you can't go out trying to spread the word to the whole world, it's just one of those things you have to let people find, or let it find people. Salvia is already getting far to well known among the "kids looking for a new way to get off" scene as it is.


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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: Hooty]
    #2689758 -

i can inderstand that there are concerns with what i plan to do with salvia, and i would like to put some of these to rest.
first and foremost, i am going to be in controll of this salvia blotter/ gel tab supply, and i would never sell it to anyone as lsd, EVER. this is strictly against my beliefs.

furthermore, i dont plan on distributing this in mass quantites, or even more than enough for more than one person. mainly i just want somthing to trade for food or whatever at the festivals that i am going to this summer.

furthermore i want this supply for myself and close friends. so that we can expierence salvia without the annoyance of having to use a crack torch and alot of un extracted leaf.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2690690 -

really i wasn't referring to you specifically in that last rant zippoz, I know you wouldn't market salvinorin as LSD, my larger concer would be someone you give it to marketing it as such. With that said I think this is a very interesting project. Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to run into you at a festival. What festivals are you going to this summer?


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Without love in the dream
It will never come true

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2694564 -

well theres wemf, demf, bonnaroo, probably the rainobw family gathering if i can make it, and if i can get out of my newest court appearance for speeding, the NE gathering.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2694596 -

I have managed to colelct everything for this project but the actual blotter paper, and and gel tab making ingredients.



i know that i need 14 gauge watercolor paper for the blotters, I want to get blank paper so i can make a design on it. is this feasable?

One side will clearly say salvinorin, and the dosage on the paper, and the other will have some sort of picture.

hopefully this will keep people from re-selling this as acid.

buut i still have questions about the dosage. i want one blotter, 1/4 inch square to give slightly more than a threshold effect. un-fortunately there are varying reports on what that dosage is. i have heard and read that a threshold dose is from 100ug to 500ug pure crystal. does anyone have a definate answer for me?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

Edited by zippoz (05/18/04 01:20 AM)

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2694984 -

what do you call threashold?
is it when the tv glow seems jeweled? (ALTERED -> LIGHT VISUALS)
(for me, oral ~3000 mics - smoked 350 mics)
or is it when the people on the tv are coming out?
(for me, oral ~6500 mics - smoked 750 mics) (VISIONARY -> IMMATERIAL)
I am a soft head since I can easily space a gram of standardized 10x for 60 sessions.
(BTW - making pure salvinorin is not easy, I am stuck at the degunking stage - I may have too little material going right now to take out the chlorophyl or my naptha is not good.)

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2697824 -

hey zippoz I'm probably going to the rainbow gathering too, maybe I'll see you there.


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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2903642 -

OKAY so the project is now complete.

when my extraction was complete i had .5 gram of extract that was light green. however fate interfered and the container holding the extract fell and i lost .3 gram to the carpet.
by the way the carpet is now being sold a $5 a hit (J/K)
so with my remaining .2 i disolved it in everclear, it did not want to disolve properly.
and laid 4 "sheets" of salvinorin blotters. the blotter paper was 140LB watercolor paper.

the sheets are very green and some are blotchy do to the plant matter that did not disolve.

and as always when im working with psychoactives and everclear i dosed myself through my skin.

however the dose was mild and nothig that i couldnt handle, although for a while i was afraid that i had taken an extreeme dose.

so anyways i now have these sheets, and i will test them tonight, or tomorrow with some friends. im sure that they will taste horrible.

and i wil try and post some pictures

for the details of my last dosing go here --> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=22895


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PEACE

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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2903648 -

awesome, lets us know how it goes :smile:

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2903734 -

btw a special thanks to neuro for your help :smile:

as for the strength of a single dose.
taking my .2 and assuming that 70 percent was salvinorin, .14 grams of salvinorin divided by 400 1/4 inch doses would lead to  350 micrograms or about a third of a milligram per dose.

now i know that some will be weaker and some will be stronger due to the disolving problems.
however this gives me a standing point to find out about what the threshold dose for salvinorin crystal on blotter is.

some say that you dont feel anything untill the 2000 ug range and there is literature to say that effects can be felt with as little as 100 ug.


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PEACE

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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

Edited by zippoz (07/18/04 09:25 PM)

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2904558 -

Interesting project. I hope to do some experimenting myself at the end of summer, when I harvest all my plants.
With a scale measuring down to 0.01g and pipettes that can measure out 5 microlitres, if I dissolve 100mg in 100mL of acetone then I should be able to get some VERY accurate control over doses, in order to find a nice level that I can reliably repeat. Because I'd like to be able to share it with my friends, but I want to minimise the risk of them freaking out, so accurate dosage is k3y...

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: Openminded]
    #2904645 -

I am very curous about where you got
5-MeO-AMT
was it from
no sources please
was it like DMT?

also have you tested your blotters?
the 350mg dose is going to be way low for oral
3500mg for oral is still quite mild.

Edited by neuro (07/19/04 07:36 PM)

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2905730 -

yeah i tried one last night, i felt somthing that might have been placebo at t+30 minutes.
but nothing more. i would bet that if i was to have smoked that same blotter i would have definately felt the effects.

on a side note, when i hold the sheets at an angle i can see crystal shimmering on the surface.

does anyone know if you one builds a tolerence to salvia?


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PEACE

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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2906152 -

i've only smoked extract, but i did it twice within the same month and didnt really break through the second time. i have heard that some people develop a tolerance rather quickly.

i'm not sure though, because the first time i did it was on the comedown of mushrooms, and the second time i was slightly drunk. so it could have been due to the presence of other substances as well.


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"Love says 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing.' Between the two, my life flows."


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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
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:grin:


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