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ZippoZ
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live salvia to salvinorin to blotter PROJECT COMPLETE 7-18
#2658766 - 05/10/04 12:00 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i am soon to have 250 thriving salvia plants thanks to the wonders of cloning. once i have a few hundred grams of dried leaf i am planning to follow this extraction guide from erowid (it has quality pictures) link to extractoin guide then i plan to lay it to blotter at 250cg per hit, as per chinacats LSD to blotter post in ODD. here is my dilema. while i can order 99% IPA from the internet for this extraction, i do not think i can find naptha, what can i substitute for it? \i have heard that mineral spirits work, and last i checked paint thinner was 100% mineral spirits but that is anecdotal information. i have also heard of xylene or tolulol (sp) being interchangable with naptha. both of which i can get. are there any other things i can substitute for naptha? thanks zippoz
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Edited by zippoz (07/18/04 08:32 PM)
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2658817 - 05/10/04 12:15 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have you looked into any of the cold acetone methods?
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2659143 - 05/10/04 10:02 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I highly reccommend the acetone method. but lsd style blotter is not reccommended. oral absorption requires something more than soaked paper. (serious chewing will be involved) I reccommend using cigarette paper instead and after dosing cut it to 20 strips with 500 mics each. (if you don't like the oral method you can very conveniently smoke them which is like smoking air but very effective) add 10 mg salvinorin evenly (in acetone) to each cigarette paper in stages (you have to compute the drops from your density after extraction and redissolving for putting on paper. drying time is nearly instantaneous. later it is easy to chew a bunch of these or smoke one or 2 in a quick ignition from a regular lighter in any kind of pipe. 250 micrograms is too weak. storing the paper is convenient and you can choose your method of use at any time, you can even drop them in wine or tea. smoking this way is my best favourite way to have salvia, and bothers lungs not at all.
Edited by redgreenvines (05/10/04 10:07 AM)
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ZippoZ
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: redgreenvines]
#2659436 - 05/10/04 12:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I highly reccommend the acetone method. but lsd style blotter is not reccommended.
oral absorption requires something more than soaked paper. (serious chewing will be involved)
I reccommend using cigarette paper instead and after dosing cut it to 20 strips with 500 mics each.
this dosent make any sense to me, pure having been placed on blotter, would not require any chewing for absorption. and cigarette papers, or rolling papers are so thin that they could not possibly absorb 500 mikes. one could coat the surface, but this paper method that you advise would not allow for any long term storrage.
but thw question at hand is what can i substitute for naptha?
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2659677 - 05/10/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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paints stores will have naptha, if that helps. that's where i got it.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: Howardo]
#2659830 - 05/10/04 02:38 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2659891 - 05/10/04 03:00 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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welll im going to home depot right now. thanks
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2659910 - 05/10/04 03:05 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have fun.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2660104 - 05/10/04 03:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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i now have naptha, but i also picked up some de-natured alcahol, can it be substituted for Isopropyl alcahol in this extraction?
-------------------- PEACE zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2660434 - 05/10/04 05:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure. I would probably rather use it than isopro. I usually use acetone, but I have had good results from usind denatured alcohol. I think it evaporates a little slower than the other two though. Honestly though, I think that patience is one of the greatest virtues learned from working with/growing etho/ethnogenic substances. Just put it in the sun or under a fan and it will do its thing.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2660507 - 05/10/04 05:23 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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This may not be on topic, but I would suggest trying perhaps 100micrograms before you put half a milligram on blotter.
On Erowid it says "a few tenths of a milligram is too strong for some people" (at the bottom of the page you supplied).
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2661899 - 05/11/04 03:27 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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right it is not absorbed it is coated - very good. no substitute for naptha to get the tarry waxes off.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: HeavyToilet]
#2661917 - 05/11/04 03:33 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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100 micrograms is well under threashold smoked, if you put less than threashold smoked you are making it very hard to work in the mouth where you need at least 10 times as much. most people need ~4000mics or 10000mics orally.
if you need to it is easy to tear them in half etc. and if you find you prefer smoked, blotters are too heavy, but cig paper is perfect.
during extraction acetone is very clean evaps fast and is not a problem if you accidentally get some internally, the problems with acetone are with breathing fumes over a long period of time.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: redgreenvines]
#2663812 - 05/11/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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100 micrograms is well under threashold smoked, if you put less than threashold smoked you are making it very hard to work in the mouth where you need at least 10 times as much. most people need ~4000mics or 10000mics orally.
redgreenvines if i took your advise i would probably end up hurting someone or myself quite badly. i would like to see a source for your above information and im sure that others here would as well
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Ott has indicated that salvinorin A can also be taken sublingually, and is active in even smaller doses, with as little as 100 to 250 mcg. producing noticeable effects. Ott used a solution of salvinorin A in acetone in his sublingual tests, and also reported that DMSO can be used as a solvent for this purpose.
and heres the source http://www.lavondyss.com/donut/dose.html
so with this information i would assume it not only possible but probable that salvinorin would be incredibly active at 250 micrograms and am going to reduce the dosage of the blotters to 100 micrograms.
btw what is DMSO?
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2663888 - 05/11/04 03:33 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dunno exactly what it is, but from shrromery threads, I gather its a carrier molecule. It's most famous for allowing substances to seep right into the skin...
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2663896 - 05/11/04 03:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redgreenvines info on dose may actually be accurate. Well the experiences Ott ran were with Salvinorin-A disolved in acetone and DMSO (Dimethyl Sulfoxide). Both these solvents can penetrate the skin very well and take everything that's disolved in it to the bloodstream very quick. Even stuff that wouldn't penetrate the skin on its own. That's probably how he got off on 100/250ug - even less than the required smoked dose. Actually DMSO is used to dose some drugs (and medication, i believe) transdermally. Has a huge power to make stuff go into your bloodstream from the skin. I heard acetone too, the problem is that it is much more volatile than DMSO so it ends up evaporating before it penetrates the skin. In the mouth this shouldn't be a problem, though. Acetone is more easily metabolized by your body than DMSO too, i recently heard. I always extract salvia with acetone. Just don't use plastics if you use acetone, it will readily melt and dissolve them. As far as doses of pure salvinorin go, I wouldn't trust what anyone blurts out on these forums. Just try first with very small amounts (maybe 50-100ug) and work your way up until you find your confortable dose. Probably your best bet for sublingual would be to disolve the pure salvinorin in acetone. Calibrate solution so that one drop has the required dose. Than you're set. If you decide you want to smoke just lay a drop or 2 on some smoking material like cigarrete paper or a bit of weed, tobacco, or plain salvia; just let it dry and smoke. Good Luck
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2664017 - 05/11/04 04:11 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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well the idea for this whole project was to create salvia blotters, i have read else where that the active oral dose was around 100 ug
"Dosage: Sublingual/Chewed 100 mcg sublingual, threshold Vaporized 200-500 mcg " from http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=156 but most likely this was taken from ott's studies.
but since savinorin could be absorbed by chewing the natural leaves, i would assume that acetone would not be necissary to acheive effects. quids are reportedly about 15 leaves. i suppose the question would be how much salvinorin is in those 15 leaves, and how much is absorbed wihtout the aid of DMSO or acetone
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2664018 - 05/11/04 04:12 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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what is the difference between acetone and IPA
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2664361 - 05/11/04 05:13 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am experienced with it and I am a soft head. (over 200 uses) dmso is available from dr. jacob's in the USA, they just stopped shipping to canada (border problems with the material), it is good for tincs (but my wife complained I smelled of scallops) and good for other uses. it is a great cleaning solvent and the best linament for sore muscles: dimethylsulfoxide ..H. O .H.. H.C.-S-.C.H ..H. .H.. acetone is a solvent too ..H. O .H.. H.C.-C-.C.H ..H. .H.. acetone could be called DMCO (dimethylcarboxide) almost the same as DMSO except DMSO is good medicine and acetone is a little too reactive - burns, fumes hurt on prolonged exposure and unconsciousness or death if you drink a glass of it, but a few drops or spoons is not a problem just too hot on the tissues. DMSO you can actually drink, but it might give a headache if you take too much. also dmso evaps very slowly and is oily while acetone is kinda between alcohol and ether. anyway dmso is good for tinc (but would not give you anything spectacular with 100 mics) and you should obtain at least 70% from dr.jacob online if you are going for it. acetone is fast evaporator and a much more powerful solvent than IPA. people fear it unnecessarily, but it is highly flamable and you need your wits about you if you use it. I just spilled a fair bit on my hands doing an extraction - a bit sloppy in my first pour off. It felt cold and evaporated immediately. No problem. I spilled onto wood over concrete in my garage - no flames anywhere there ever. anyway if you make something with salvinorin, you will want to make is strong as possible, then dilute to suit the usage. If the paper is too strong - cut them smaller. if the tinc is too strong add water or alcohol (note it is extremely unlikely that you will make a tinc that is too strong - Emerald essence is remarkably strong and still stores as stable solution. I doubt you could match it except with dmso.) the following is really reversed information, and "threashold" means subtle not interesting (mostly unnoticeable) it gets intersting at level 34&5: Dosage: Sublingual/Chewed 100 mcg sublingual, threshold Vaporized 200-500 mcg
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2665783 - 05/11/04 10:00 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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There was lots of stuff over at the spiritplants forums about extracting and making blotter, I rarely visit there though so I don't know if you can still find it. Search for posts by Camel for the blotter stuff.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2669402 - 05/12/04 04:04 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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what about the idea of laying geltabs with DMSO instead of water?
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2669550 - 05/12/04 04:35 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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not sure how dmso would work in the gel, or even if it aids much in absorption, as I have used it orally with salvinorin and although it holds more than alcohol it does not take it into the blood any faster. but I do love lsd gels - (haven't seen 'em for years). you would need at least 5mg or 6 mg salvinorin each. you might have to atomize (spray) an alcohol or acetone solution of salvinorin over a gel sheet to do this project. I bet I would love salvia gels too, but they would be a bit expensive ~2$ to ~3$ for the active ingredient each plus the labour for the gel - I guess it would end up being 8-10$ retail for a 90 minute experience at level 3. probably twice that for immaterial level. the problem with salvia is that it clears so quickly, oral absorption is very slow. looking at surface area, lungs have thousands of sq mm of alveoli that do rapid IO with the air compared to the few hundred in the mouth, salvinorin enters lung so fast that a threashold is achieved amazingly quickly. the best advance would be a puffer like asthmatics have. maybe one which you could press a couple of times during inhallation for hardheads to get their threashold. Each squeeze could be atomization of 350 mics - 450 mics (~20cents worth). For 200 hits I would pay $100 bucks for the convenience of a puffer. someone could make a good 40% margin or more.
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Edited by redgreenvines (05/12/04 04:38 PM)
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: redgreenvines]
#2669669 - 05/12/04 04:59 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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well this isnt about money, honestly i just want to create somthing new in the psychadelic world. and while salvia is still legal i would like to help people expierence somthing new.
well there is alot of information here, and i am getting a bit confused. most likely the best way for me to figure all of this out is to extract salvinorin and do some trials on myself.
keep an eye out for my extraction thread, i think i am going to start with 4 ounces of leaf from mexico, as i hear mexican salvia has a higher percentage of salvinorin.
however if anyone has anymore information on the practicality and dosage of salvinorin blotters ot gels, please chime in!
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2686662 - 05/16/04 01:50 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont condone what you are doing, with people doing this I see the legality of Salvia being put on a hotline to Schedule One.
Salvia is not a drug of slow controlled onset like LSD which comes in blotter form. I can see people selling Salvia as LSD and really getting some negative attention.
We must respect and use these plants for ourselves, and not worry if anybody else wants to get "fucked up" on a "new psychedelic". Protect Salvia, take my advice. Please.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: Effed]
#2686791 - 05/16/04 02:28 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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this actually makes lots of sense. actually
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Effed said: I dont condone what you are doing, with people doing this I see the legality of Salvia being put on a hotline to Schedule One.
Salvia is not a drug of slow controlled onset like LSD which comes in blotter form. I can see people selling Salvia as LSD and really getting some negative attention.
We must respect and use these plants for ourselves, and not worry if anybody else wants to get "fucked up" on a "new psychedelic". Protect Salvia, take my advice. Please.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: redgreenvines]
#2687645 - 05/16/04 04:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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it does indeed, and I think it's true words of wisdom, none of us want salvia outlawed and this means we need to keep it out of mainstream attention as much as possible. Yes salvia may be harmless, but the majority of people won't understand salvia and what people don't understand they become afraid of and what people are afraid of they outlaw...especially in the mind altering substance catagory. There are probably lots of people who would enjoy and benifit from salvia, but you can't go out trying to spread the word to the whole world, it's just one of those things you have to let people find, or let it find people. Salvia is already getting far to well known among the "kids looking for a new way to get off" scene as it is.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: Hooty]
#2689758 - 05/17/04 12:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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i can inderstand that there are concerns with what i plan to do with salvia, and i would like to put some of these to rest. first and foremost, i am going to be in controll of this salvia blotter/ gel tab supply, and i would never sell it to anyone as lsd, EVER. this is strictly against my beliefs.
furthermore, i dont plan on distributing this in mass quantites, or even more than enough for more than one person. mainly i just want somthing to trade for food or whatever at the festivals that i am going to this summer.
furthermore i want this supply for myself and close friends. so that we can expierence salvia without the annoyance of having to use a crack torch and alot of un extracted leaf.
-------------------- PEACE zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2690690 - 05/17/04 10:24 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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really i wasn't referring to you specifically in that last rant zippoz, I know you wouldn't market salvinorin as LSD, my larger concer would be someone you give it to marketing it as such. With that said I think this is a very interesting project. Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to run into you at a festival. What festivals are you going to this summer?
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2694564 - 05/18/04 01:00 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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well theres wemf, demf, bonnaroo, probably the rainobw family gathering if i can make it, and if i can get out of my newest court appearance for speeding, the NE gathering.
-------------------- PEACE zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2694596 - 05/18/04 01:07 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have managed to colelct everything for this project but the actual blotter paper, and and gel tab making ingredients. i know that i need 14 gauge watercolor paper for the blotters, I want to get blank paper so i can make a design on it. is this feasable? One side will clearly say salvinorin, and the dosage on the paper, and the other will have some sort of picture. hopefully this will keep people from re-selling this as acid. buut i still have questions about the dosage. i want one blotter, 1/4 inch square to give slightly more than a threshold effect. un-fortunately there are varying reports on what that dosage is. i have heard and read that a threshold dose is from 100ug to 500ug pure crystal. does anyone have a definate answer for me?
-------------------- PEACE zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
Edited by zippoz (05/18/04 01:20 AM)
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redgreenvines
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2694984 - 05/18/04 04:14 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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what do you call threashold? is it when the tv glow seems jeweled? (ALTERED -> LIGHT VISUALS) (for me, oral ~3000 mics - smoked 350 mics) or is it when the people on the tv are coming out? (for me, oral ~6500 mics - smoked 750 mics) (VISIONARY -> IMMATERIAL) I am a soft head since I can easily space a gram of standardized 10x for 60 sessions. (BTW - making pure salvinorin is not easy, I am stuck at the degunking stage - I may have too little material going right now to take out the chlorophyl or my naptha is not good.)
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: redgreenvines]
#2697824 - 05/18/04 05:23 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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hey zippoz I'm probably going to the rainbow gathering too, maybe I'll see you there.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2903642 - 07/18/04 08:39 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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OKAY so the project is now complete.
when my extraction was complete i had .5 gram of extract that was light green. however fate interfered and the container holding the extract fell and i lost .3 gram to the carpet. by the way the carpet is now being sold a $5 a hit (J/K) so with my remaining .2 i disolved it in everclear, it did not want to disolve properly. and laid 4 "sheets" of salvinorin blotters. the blotter paper was 140LB watercolor paper.
the sheets are very green and some are blotchy do to the plant matter that did not disolve.
and as always when im working with psychoactives and everclear i dosed myself through my skin.
however the dose was mild and nothig that i couldnt handle, although for a while i was afraid that i had taken an extreeme dose.
so anyways i now have these sheets, and i will test them tonight, or tomorrow with some friends. im sure that they will taste horrible.
and i wil try and post some pictures
for the details of my last dosing go here --> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=22895
-------------------- PEACE zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2903648 - 07/18/04 08:43 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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awesome, lets us know how it goes
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2903734 - 07/18/04 09:16 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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btw a special thanks to neuro for your help as for the strength of a single dose. taking my .2 and assuming that 70 percent was salvinorin, .14 grams of salvinorin divided by 400 1/4 inch doses would lead to 350 micrograms or about a third of a milligram per dose. now i know that some will be weaker and some will be stronger due to the disolving problems. however this gives me a standing point to find out about what the threshold dose for salvinorin crystal on blotter is. some say that you dont feel anything untill the 2000 ug range and there is literature to say that effects can be felt with as little as 100 ug.
-------------------- PEACE zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
Edited by zippoz (07/18/04 09:25 PM)
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2904558 - 07/19/04 04:34 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting project. I hope to do some experimenting myself at the end of summer, when I harvest all my plants. With a scale measuring down to 0.01g and pipettes that can measure out 5 microlitres, if I dissolve 100mg in 100mL of acetone then I should be able to get some VERY accurate control over doses, in order to find a nice level that I can reliably repeat. Because I'd like to be able to share it with my friends, but I want to minimise the risk of them freaking out, so accurate dosage is k3y...
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: Openminded]
#2904645 - 07/19/04 06:34 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am very curous about where you got 5-MeO-AMT was it from no sources please was it like DMT? also have you tested your blotters? the 350mg dose is going to be way low for oral 3500mg for oral is still quite mild.
Edited by neuro (07/19/04 07:36 PM)
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2905730 - 07/19/04 03:05 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah i tried one last night, i felt somthing that might have been placebo at t+30 minutes. but nothing more. i would bet that if i was to have smoked that same blotter i would have definately felt the effects.
on a side note, when i hold the sheets at an angle i can see crystal shimmering on the surface.
does anyone know if you one builds a tolerence to salvia?
-------------------- PEACE zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2906152 - 07/19/04 05:23 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i've only smoked extract, but i did it twice within the same month and didnt really break through the second time. i have heard that some people develop a tolerance rather quickly.
i'm not sure though, because the first time i did it was on the comedown of mushrooms, and the second time i was slightly drunk. so it could have been due to the presence of other substances as well.
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2906516 - 07/19/04 07:37 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: neuro]
#2906518 - 07/19/04 07:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines
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Re: live salvia --> salvinorin --> blotter solvent question [Re: ZippoZ]
#2907787 - 07/20/04 08:42 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought I posted earlier to the effect that 1) 350mics would just be a smoked level 3, and 2) 3500 mics might be an oral level 2 (but for a longer time) I think you should re-extract the the blotters and either make good enhanced leaf or put it on cigarette papers to be able to go both ways. a small strip of cig paper with 650 mics is a nice little smoke (SUPER MILD ON THE THROAT AND LUNGS TOO), and 10 of those chewed will be a good oral dose.
Edited by redgreenvines (07/20/04 08:42 AM)
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