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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: OriahDreamer] * 2
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The problem with a lot of these arguments is that is based off hobby style cube growing, things like coir/manure bulk subs in general only benefitting from being a source of water and providing low nute pinning points, additives being useless ect is very much so a cube based argument, this is due to our rediculous spawn ratios used in the hobby that we couldn't use in a commercial setting.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: cronicr] * 1
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My tubs have a better structure /consistency when using vermiculite, I'm also not poor so.:shrug:

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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That is a viable argument for the use of verm, but the claim verm holds more water is not true, I'm not saying it has zero benefits.

In my experience, which is mostly with plants, a downside of coir is it has a habit of compacting, and verm is as you say beneficial for the substrate structure/consistency.

I'm just being pedantic :shrug:

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 2
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Stipe-n Cap said:
My tubs have a better structure /consistency when using vermiculite, I'm also not poor so.:shrug:


I like to add verm in my subs , and it's cheap AF here lol but so is coir I get 50 lb bags already at capacity for around 23 bucks lol

Shits epic


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: cronicr]
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It's about 3 x the price per litre in NZ, but I'm poor so I concern myself with these things :lol:

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Dkeppel] * 2
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Dkeppel said:
Can I add one I see on Shroomery all the time?

People claiming that "Vermiculite has better water holding capacity than coir."

Anyone can find the research in about 5 seconds, yet I see this claim all the time on here.

Below is the tl;dr on coir vs verm:

Coir has superiour water holding capacity, air capacity and it has better porosity.

Additionally coir is more sustainable and cheaper*.

*In my country coir is substantially cheaper, your mileage may vary.


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Holding together better, yeah, I can see that. But using verm to correct over-hydration just strikes me as pointless laziness. And the sustainability concerns are rarely mentioned. And no, coir is not ideal either from that standpoint, but it is truly an apples-to-oranges comparison.

And that's just like, my opinion, man.

But that's precisely the point: there's nothing about substrate composition that's a universally agreed-upon fact. It's mostly just personal preference and opinion, and it's been made obvious by now that the mycelium really don't give a fuck.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven] * 1
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not going to add it to the hhg as this is a website dedicated to hobbyists growing cubes and it isnt neccesary.  i get canopy o plenty without it.  some people seem to think it has benefits and thats fine.  ive rested my case about it several times over. 

have a good 4th yall.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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i love the texture of verm, i would add it to all my substrates if i could. its just so damn expensive here, so i only use it for pucks


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: bakedbeings] * 3
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I have a Scrooge McDuckian pool of verm in a vault in my basement that I dive into on a daily basis.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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theres always room for a little verm


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Stipe-n Cap said:
I have a Scrooge McDuckian pool of verm in a vault in my basement that I dive into on a daily basis.


Send some to baked :begger:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: cronicr]
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does anyone else think it smells like coca cola


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: bakedbeings] * 1
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this goes with contamination doesnt ruin a grow area. you dont need a clean room for a fruiting area. you dont need plastic sheets on the walls and carpet or pets wont contaminate your tubs.

small stumps and aborts wont contaminate your tub either.

overlay in cubes is very rare, put away your forks!

overlay/stroma from nats is genetic and not due to bad environmental conditions (for all the people that see those clouds and say it needs more fae)

nats dont require 5x more fae, unmodded shoebox with the lid unsnapped works

you can cook these, heat does not instantly destroy psilocybin




(great thread btw thank you!)

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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: BeefExtreme] * 3
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I did a few grows close to 15 years ago and only recently decided to pick it back up. I'm amazed by how many hard and fast rules from back then are considered bunk now. Spore to grain or LC was far from a sin, I remember being told to toss contaminated tubs ASAP bc the spores would cover your house and make future contam issues worse. CVG was standard, everybody and their brother was growing on poo and straw...I know there's more, bc I've been reading things and being amazed that such accepted and supported procedures were now considered total bs. I jumped in with both feet before getting caught up on updated procedure, so now I've got some MS-Grain jars colonizing while waiting on my first handful of germ plates to test out. Im thinking maybe I should just turn the jars into a low effort outdoor grow, rather than just trash them. But yes, things have definitely changed, and it's made it a bit more challenging to find updated info. Keep it up guys! Hopefully I'll be in full swing soon and can add something to the community, even if it is just free spore prints. Much love, shroomites - I'm happy to he back.


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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^ Check out my sig for a very easy agar prep. That is the KEY thing we have all established = get a clean culture on agar after a few transfers then send it to grain for best results.


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: Huskies] * 1
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Ive got 5 germ plates going now, I just ended up with a couple grain jars knocked with mss bc I just did what I used to do, then did some reading and realized everyone is saying agar is easy, which after only one go at it, I'd agree with.


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 3
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You described my exact experience ThurmanMurman. It took some time reading through newer threads and digesting information before I got up to speed with current practices. I'm glad I did because my success have been more frequent, more efficient, and more rewarding.

Happy Culting :mushroom2:


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: Dala]
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This is a great thread, should be part of mushy 101. Over three years I've made many of the outdated mistakes, but after taking a breath and getting things right everything is easier. Not just MM, but indoor/outdoor growing of edibles as well. Thanks to all that has contributed.

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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: MoJim] * 1
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its in the hitchhikers guide friendo . thank you.  appreciate it.

have you signed up for the ban lotto?  insane giveaway this week.  youd get damn near everything you need to get started !

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28852930

spam the link in my sig to get the 1000 posts needed.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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i changed my mind


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