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Sida Rhombifolia. An entheogen of under rated character * 1
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*I posted this earlier in the psychedelic medicine, research and micro dosing section, but have since realized it may go better in this forum .
This is just some consolidated info I have compiled and is all basically off the top of my head . I highly suggest looking into what little info there is available about this plants usage as an entheogen . Most of what's available has nothing to do with using the plant this way so . I am bridging a bit of that gap by posting what I have done with it and know about it together for further people's research to arch around, through, or over.

Sidas containing ephedrine/phenylpropanolamine are a rather underacknowledged common weed .



The most fantastic plant by far, that I have foraged in my entheogenic quest . 13 years I have been scrounging up any bit of knowledge and plant material to pass my time and learn from the universe . I had passed up this and Ephedras for many years until late in December of 2022 when they began to pique my interest . Which came once I learned about the " 1.3-2.6% Ephedrine alkaloids per volume dry weight " . You mean per 100 grams there's potentially a HALF GRAM of Ephedrines and PEAs ?
Having made poor man's opium from Poppy seeds as a passed time hobby my entire adult hood, and doing many other extractions on cannabis and others, the idea of gathering a few large Sida R. Plants and garnering 250-600mg of alkaloids locked up in plant resins and cell material seemed like a very practical way to have some fun .



I have been using Sida Rhombifolia wild harvested here in Florida for the last year and a half .



It has helped me stop using methamphetamine .
But on top of that, it has made me question the health concerns of caffeine, cannabis, tabacco and nicotine and with using even it, Sida itself . I've now even stopped drinking after 6 years of a heavy alcoholism .
I suspect this plants materials may contain anti addictive properties . At least if used with this purpose in mind .


I have stopped smoking cigarettes, I'm weening off cannabis as I speak and I no longer drink coffee daily and I'm about to to drop caffeine entirely . I no longer use Sida regularly . But since I began using it I have more and more questioned EVERYTHING I put into my body . I do not know if this is an individual experience or what but this is one of the most significant impacts I've ever had from an entheogen .

I did some shrooms, about two weeks ago, 1.2 grams of penis envy, hadn't tripped in 6 years . All I got was the message that I was on the right track in life and that my interests in this and several other plant species were things brought to me by the universe and I either was going to pursue them like I have or I'd ignore them... I suppose I chose the right path . I don't normally get affirmations of my hobbies from psychedelic trips . Truly .
This trip was like no other . Very calm but full of meaning . And I was told to share . So here I am sharing . Sharing something that's become very meaningful to me .


I wasn't trying to use it for more than as a substitute for illicit methamphetamine .



I and my wife had been on meth for several years when we suddenly needed to stop and Sida Rhombifolia helped us both quit .



She is less prone to having multiple addictions at the same time . I am . I do ALOT of spiritual works and have always used entheogens perhaps to an excess, however, I have been COMPLETELY turned .




After this long of being infatuated with this species I have begun to grow Sida Cordifolia and I have many Sida Rhombifolia plants in my yard I've been cultivating wild .



A plant with this much potential cannot be overlooked . It is ABUNDANT in the Americas .

Mixing with tobacco and cannabis is unique . Making an opium like extract rosin of the roots is a fantastic stimulant . Mixes well with raw opium for a speedball like effect with minimal hang over .

For further specifics on Sida, the methods of consumption of Sida R. that I HAVE USED is as: smoking extracts of the root on tea leaves and tobacco or cannabis, brewing root and leaf as a tea or in a coffee pot with coffee grounds, and smoking the leaf itself in bongs pipes and cigarettes .

Distilled Water extracts the ephedrine well from the roots when a small amount of 91% isopropanol is added and the whole immersion is warmed . Air drying results in crude resinous extracts that are easily smoked . Crystals are not hard to render if employing liquid/liquid phase extraction techniques such as acid/base then rendering the Hydrochlorinated anions through gassing or stirring and dropp wise additions of HCL .


I have dabbed Sida Rhombifolia root extracts, I HIGHLY ADVISE AGAINST IT the method of ingestion is highly efficous and vaporizes ephedrine/PPA and it's a bit too much . It is comparable to ecstasy pills or bath salts from the gas station speed days . Not TOO intense but you can feel youre closer to death than if you HADNT done it . Lmao. If that makes any sense . Ephedrine isn't exactly dose tolerated by the body unless you're an everyday user of it .


This material can be Peracetic oxidized into containing small amounts of Methcathinone or even reacted the Moscow method way into "Black tar Meth" .
I have seen it done .

I am adding this to this thread for scientific recording of my psychonautic experiences . I am attempting to make this as brief as possible . This information to me is too valuable not to share .

This plant and it's extrudable constituents are HIGHLY PREVALENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND ARE UNDER VALUED. QUITE LITERAL SLASH AND BURN TACTICS ARE USED TO CONTROL THIS PLANT BY UNSUSPECTING COUNTY WORKS AND FARM COOPS DURING SPRING AND SUMMER .


A LOT of research suggests the plants has ZERO PSUEDOEPHEDRINE . At a glance it contains what is classified as simple EPHEDRINES, this plant contains either cathine or Phenylpropanolamine and phenethylamineS. Along with ephedrine . Cathine and PPA are often mischaracterized is analytical analysis as Psuedoephedrine due to the lack of specific interest in these compounds when they are found .

A series of lab reports from American universities from between 2007 to present suggest this misidentification further by suggesting PPAs presence and it being unclear even in these analytical works the specifics of the suspect ppas stereochemistry or chirality . Again, not what they were looking for when it was found there .

This plant and others in the species Sida have strong anti microbial and antifungal properties . As well as anticanceral potential .



I could also say that this plant may have implications in American national security due to this.
As well as being a way to substitute meth in addicts . 2 problems, same coin .

The super massiveness of science and it's discoveries ..... It's endless. Use this for what you will, that is why I have presented it in this way .

Edited by ZoteyabLeiaat (06/24/24 09:16 AM)

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Re: Sida Rhombifolia. An entheogen of under rated character [Re: ZoteyabLeiaat]
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The co occurring compounds Vasicinone vascicine and vascimol ARE NOT water soluble or soluble in alcohol .

Hence water being specifically used for extracts .


The plants are very easy to find in nature along trails commonly used by pedestrians and roadsides .

Most state colleges have maps of what counties it has been found in, in their state . Available online .

The main interest I've had in sharing this is for others to find out and learn about psychoactive Sidas .

There isn't a lot of data available on its usage recreationally . I seek to change this in the coming years with my own sharing and getting others interested in doing the same .

With sincerest emotions in regards to saying this, smoking Sida Rhombifolia can be very strong when you find your dose . It definitely isn't some bunk thing . I thought it would be which is why I ignored it for so long and researched other things that had significantly less effects or ALOT more side effects .


There are side effects to these plants . But they aren't exactly known and I haven't hit many UNPLEASENT effects except DO NOT SMOKE SIDA RHOMBIFOLIA IF YOU HAVE AN ORAL ABSCESS IT WILL CAUSE YOU EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL DISTRESS IN YOUR ORAL AFFLICTION THE SIZE OF WHICH YOUVE NEVER EXPERIENCED IN YOUR WNTIRE LIFE . IVE WATCHED IT HAPPEN TO OTHERS . IT ISNT AN ISOLATED EFFECT . AS IVE SAID WE USED THIS TO STOP METH ABUSE IN OURSELVES AND HAVE SHARED IT WITH OTHER DRUG ADDICTS WHO ALSO HAVE AT TIMES HAD ORAL ABSCESSES .
something in the plant of lesser concentration is extracted and used as a proprietary herbal constituent of ANBESOL oral numbing solutions .
I suppose smoking it when in direct oral crisis due to drug abuse or cessation of hard street drugs, is INADVISABLE. Due to the extreme states the body can be in .


This is one of the ONLY side effects other than ephedrine overdose and resulting injury from such or a contraindicative interaction, that I know of . Serious pain caused to wounds in mouth from Sida Smoke .

Edited by ZoteyabLeiaat (06/24/24 09:18 AM)

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Re: Sida Rhombifolia. An entheogen of under rated character [Re: ZoteyabLeiaat]
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That's a stimulant, not an entheogen. Ephedra stimulants are widely known.

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Re: Sida Rhombifolia. An entheogen of under rated character [Re: nooneman]
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The plant itself is an entheogen .

Ephedrine is an extract .

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Re: Sida Rhombifolia. An entheogen of under rated character [Re: ZoteyabLeiaat]
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You do not quite get what I'm stating here .

Ephedra is a COMPLETELY different species of plants .


Sida Rhombifolia plant material is heavy with other alkaloids .

Ephedrines are the most well known in this plant and it's a good source of it but the raw plant material unprocessed has literally helped me free myself from addictions.

That, is an entheogen . something that can make one ask pertinent questions about the self and it's actions that are perhaps being done for unconscious reasons, is absolutely an entheogenic experience.

All I get from extracted Ephedrines is stimulation. Let that be said. But tea of the root and smoke of the leaf is entheogenic FROM THIS SPECIES, SIDA RHOMBIFOLIA


And wether they are known of or not, the usage of this specific species as a drug outside of being a source of ephedrine for illicit purposes, is essentially absent from anything more than annecdotes .
People use it all over as a topical an internal medicine for the suppression of real problems . Using it outside of palliative care is not the forte of science, EXCEPT in our circles here online and in real life with those we encounter .

Little is truly KNOWN of what the psychological effect of the coumarins, propanoids, terpenoids ecdysterones and quinidoline compounds mixed with the Ephedrines and such, from Sida Rhombifolia/Cordifolia . other than as a sensation .

I attribute the over all affect of this plant to ALL OF THOSE constituents which are backboned by the ephedrines and phenethylamine . Much like THCs are the back bone of the diols and terpenes within cannabis .
It is a worth while sensation however and a topic not often explored even in forums in terms of personal usage.

Entourage effects.

This plant is a literal powerhouse of usage . Aside from the recreational argument im making it has, Antimicrobial, antifungal, anticancer, liver protectant, anti inflammatory, antipyretic, antibiotic, and it goes ON .

Edited by ZoteyabLeiaat (06/26/24 02:48 PM)

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