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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: mushboy]
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Edited my post above but surely my technique will always be a factor and it has gotten better so I’m not dismissing it by any means

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: mushboy]
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Yeah, I grew on the same oats Supa did for years without washing.

Most of my failures I traced back to other factors, and I had less failures when I changed them.  Maybe washing would have reduced things even further, I don't know.

I started washing when I started using millet and I mostly use it to encourage water absorption during the soak :shrug:


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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I've searched and can't find what is wrong with using full spectrum bulbs? Is it just overkill or is there something inherently wrong with using them for your light source?


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: alligator] * 1
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alligator said:
I've searched and can't find what is wrong with using full spectrum bulbs? Is it just overkill or is there something inherently wrong with using them for your light source?


I missed that part, and I'm not sure what the problem is, either. The point is most likely that they're overkill. I bought several full-spectrum compact flourescent bulbs years ago, and now I've only got one left. I never got around to replacing them, so I'm down to just the one lamp for the entire room. I'm trying to shut down fruiting for the summer, and have so few things going that I unplugged that one bulb a few weeks ago. Ambient light from the windows- through closed curtains- appears to be more than enough. No real difference in fruiting. I've honestly come to see my light(s) as little more than a passive heat source, anyway.


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: B Traven]
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Good to hear they should work fine! I have bought a few things so far that I've found aren't necessary and had already bought some full spectrum light bulbs. I thought I'd researched everything well, but what I missed during my research was that the search function seems to pull up older threads, so I've started sorting by date too. Live and learn!


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: alligator]
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alligator said:
I thought I'd researched everything well, but what I missed during my research was that the search function seems to pull up older threads, so I've started sorting by date too. Live and learn!


Yeah, unfortunately you'll also find some people dispensing outdated advice long after it's been debunked. It's the cost of having a completely open forum, I'm afraid. Hence the creation of this thread...


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: B Traven] * 1
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I just read this entire thread in one sitting - thanks to all for sharing; I've learnt so much.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Ligonnema]
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First of all thank you for providing such quality information for free it is truly appreciated.

So I am reading a lot of conflicting information on gypsum and it is very hard to get a clear answer. Could you please educate me on why it is now considered obsolete?

I have been using Willy’s tek for substrate which I found on YouTube until now (I know, beginner mistake, I started cultivating about 4 months ago) which includes oyster shell, bat guano, straw, and worm castings.  After reading this post and hitchhikers guide to the shroomery I am exited to try a nutrient free substrate next.

I guess I simply want to ask why a nutrient free substrate is better. Is it the lack of potential for contamination or something to do with the happiness of the mycelium in a nutrient free and clean environment?

Edited by Armor Abs Crabs (05/09/24 03:26 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Armor Abs Crabs] * 3
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Lack of potential for contamination is one thing but another is the fact that it's been proven time and time again that all cubes need to thrive is grains. There are no meaningful gains in adding anything extra. That time is better spent on culture work and dialing in the environment


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 2
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There's no such thing as a nutrient-free substrate. Even coir contains nutrients, just not very many. And they're bound up more in fibrous material. But if you're inoculating grain, then there are more nutrients in that grain than the organism will ever use.

The list of things in that recipe are all great for growing plants. They're not essential in any way for growing mushrooms, just extra pointless work. And yes, increasing the amount of readily available nutrients does more to encourage contaminant growth than anything else. Mushrooms have evolved to break down and digest a wide range of organic materials, and don't need the same sort of immediate boosts that plants do.

Gypsum has also been used by some people to avoid clumping during grain prep, but most now feel that it's an unnecessary extra step. The equivalent of putting training wheels on a tricycle.

Aside from not wanting people to waste their time or spread misinformation, I am also personally invested in pointing out that all of these choices involve real environmental consequences. I think we should all be avoiding mined products like gypsum and vermiculite, and energy-intensive products like vermiculite, whenever possible.Coir is far from an ideal product, but at least it's just a semi-renewable byproduct of a separate agricultural industry.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven] * 1
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Thank you for the detailed response. That was my first question on this site and it’s so amazing to have a community for help and with such rich information.

I just canceled an order for gypsum thanks to this info and saved money!

Edited by Armor Abs Crabs (05/09/24 04:57 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven]
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Feeding off the idea that grain is the only nutrient source mycelium needs to thrive, would the water grain was soaking in be helpful at any point as an additive or substitute?

Perhaps instead of LME in agar plates?

I have a theory that if spores germinate and proceed through the entire growth cycle with access to the same nutrients the find familiar in each stage they will do better, i.e. agar-grain-bulk. Perhaps some grain water in the sub?

Still a beginner so happy for any inputs

Edited by Armor Abs Crabs (05/09/24 08:10 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Armor Abs Crabs]
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Yes I've seen people recommend soaked grain water as a sugar/starch base for agar. TBH seems like a PITA. I'd just stick with LME or BRF.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tHeMaGe] * 2
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I've been on the ghetto instant-potato-flakes-as-nutrition plan for years now. Never really had any reason to branch out.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven]
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So this might be really out there and definitely off topic. Going back to the idea of not reinventing the wheel and giving mushrooms what they traditionally have liked over thousands of years kind of head space why not ground the tubs similar to those grounding bed sheets?

I mean an electric ground to the earth connected to the substrate. Is this crazy?

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Armor Abs Crabs] * 5
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Yes that’s crazy.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Ligonnema] * 2
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Couldn't agree more with @Ligonnema I've been deep diving this forum for a few months now but this thread has been super useful. Really helping to nail down some basic concepts and remove a lot of confusion and complication. Cheers everyone

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: sinjun]
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following

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: dcell]
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That was a lot to soak in , hopefully my squirrel brain will soak everything up. πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«
Now to see what 24’ will teach me 🀣


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: OriahDreamer] * 2
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Can I add one I see on Shroomery all the time?

People claiming that "Vermiculite has better water holding capacity than coir."

Anyone can find the research in about 5 seconds, yet I see this claim all the time on here.

Below is the tl;dr on coir vs verm:

Coir has superiour water holding capacity, air capacity and it has better porosity.

Additionally coir is more sustainable and cheaper*.

*In my country coir is substantially cheaper, your mileage may vary.

Edited by Dkeppel (07/02/24 06:53 PM)

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