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 Rambone
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 For those of you who DON'T like michael moore 
#2841615 - 06/29/04 10:08 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some people soothingly say that one should relax about all this. It's only a movie. No biggie. It's no worse than the tomfoolery of Oliver Stone. It's kick-ass entertainment. It might even help get out "the youth vote." Yeah, well, I have myself written and presented about a dozen low-budget made-for-TV documentaries, on subjects as various as Mother Teresa and Bill Clinton and the Cyprus crisis, and I also helped produce a slightly more polished one on Henry Kissinger that was shown in movie theaters. So I know, thanks, before you tell me, that a documentary must have a "POV" or point of view and that it must also impose a narrative line. But if you leave out absolutely everything that might give your "narrative" a problem and throw in any old rubbish that might support it, and you don't even care that one bit of that rubbish flatly contradicts the next bit, and you give no chance to those who might differ, then you have betrayed your craft. If you flatter and fawn upon your potential audience, I might add, you are patronizing them and insulting them.
Good article fully explaining WHY and HOW Michael Moore is the fat, publicity whore we all see him for.
(on of all places, Slate (a site typically known for its orge of liberal writers))...
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
Edited by Rambone (06/29/04 10:10 PM)
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 Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2841631 - 06/29/04 10:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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People that are super right annoy me and the super left annoy me moore.
Moore is full of shit.
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: baraka]
#2841668 - 06/29/04 10:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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baraka said:
Moore is full of shit.
Amen to that!
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2841744 - 06/29/04 10:51 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Moores a wiseass cocksucker.
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trev
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2842600 - 06/30/04 04:25 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the reason Moore ruffles so many feathers is his ability to criticize and see American culture just like the rest of the world.
Michael moore sees America as a revoltingly submissive, greedy, uneducated and self obsessed country.
Michael moores films are very popular and his books have a very very long waiting list @ the librarys here in australia.......
You never know how you look through other peoples eyes......
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: trev]
#2842617 - 06/30/04 04:35 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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and see American culture just like the rest of the world.
You never know how you look through other peoples eyes......
The American culture through the eyes of almost all people I speak is  .... most of them have been in America and/or do watch the news and read objective newspapers. Their opinion is based on facts, not only on a moore docu...
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Rambone
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: trev]
#2842845 - 06/30/04 07:08 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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The thing that really shocks me is that Moore is the epitomy of what the U.S. critics hate, yet the U.S. critics LOVE him.
Moore knows that there are other people who are dissatisfied with bush, so he tailors his film to incite even more anger. I think quoting this sentance again puts how I feel about F911 more aptly than I could explain it;
But if you leave out absolutely everything that might give your "narrative" a problem and throw in any old rubbish that might support it, and you don't even care that one bit of that rubbish flatly contradicts the next bit, and you give no chance to those who might differ, then you have betrayed your craft.
To be honest, I dislike bush. I more than dislike bush, I think he's about the worst thing to happen to our country in about 75 years. I agree on very few points with him. But I simply was unable to watch F911 because of the rapid succession of blaring contradiction after blaring contradiction. What MM has put together is NOT a documentary, it's a piece of highly biased propoganda.
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2843024 - 06/30/04 09:21 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's a MOCKumentary
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 Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2843220 - 06/30/04 11:00 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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My friend just saw that movie this weekend. She was like you have to go see it, because ignorance is not bliss. I agree, however, I don't think I want Michael Moore's opinion in my memory banks.
I do understand it is about the oil and the money and a few other family issues, but I do hope that what comes out of this mess is some better life for others. I hope that out of the rubble grows life.
We will see.
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2843500 - 06/30/04 12:30 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Michael moore sees America as a revoltingly submissive, greedy, uneducated and self obsessed country.
i do believe mister moore himself made a fuss about disney not producing his movie just as a publicity stunt to get more people to watch, now to me this seemes that he also is greedy and self obsessed.
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Rose
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Skinnymofo]
#2843597 - 06/30/04 12:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually, I think he made a fuss because he wanted his film to be distributed.
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2843638 - 06/30/04 01:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha. Your boy is going down. 
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Rambone
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Skinnymofo]
#2843653 - 06/30/04 01:15 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, that's one of the reasons he's such a publicity whore.
A month or so before it came out, there was an article about how Disney didn't want to produce his movie, because they thought it might effect their relationship with the Florida government (who's Gov. there agin???). Now, while this is pretty fucked up, it was revealed the following day that Moore went INTO the movie, (before he even started working on it), that Disney would not publish it. He just made a huge stink about it again simply and soley to get his supporters riled up and ever more eager to watch. :down:
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Learyfan]
#2843663 - 06/30/04 01:17 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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If by 'my boy' you mean G.W. Bush, try actually reading my post, sir. Just because someone doesn't like M.M. doesn't mean they agree with bush.
If by 'my boy' you mean M.M, yes, I hope he falls down a large flight of stairs.
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Rose
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2843674 - 06/30/04 01:20 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for editing your post.
GORE IN 04!!!
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rose]
#2843681 - 06/30/04 01:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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i like moore
he is some what of a know it all smart ass
but arnt we all 
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Rambone
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rose]
#2843687 - 06/30/04 01:23 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Better?
I used the word 'fucktard' because I dislike when people naturally assume things without actually reading what's going on, especially about me. And I could care less if he thinks my argument is 'credible'; he obviously didn't even read it.
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Rambone
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: notapillow]
#2843694 - 06/30/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not my point. My point is that he is a knowit all smart ass who presents biased, one-sided information to incite anger & activism.
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Rose
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rambone]
#2843700 - 06/30/04 01:28 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe YOU should read your posts again. You are guilty in this thread of everything you accuse Moore of.
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Rambone
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Re: For those of you who DON'T like michael moore [Re: Rose]
#2843724 - 06/30/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe so, but it's pretty incomparable.
I'm not trying to persuade the masses. He made a 'documentary' on real life happenings. I'm making comments on what I thought of his work.
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