OK I hope this is the right place for this as I see no subforums here and it's called "Psychedelic Medicine, Research & Microdosing". 
I just want to keep an online journal day to day since I started a new daily dosing routine a few days back with my new Mayan (cubensis) strain fruits, most of which I dried. I will be logging daily dosages and notes, especially because even those these are clone of a clone of a clone (from plate culture) I've run into vast potency differences eating them dried, which you will also find in another thread I'm starting in regular Cult (Primal's Potency Stabilization Project (Mayans)) which I'll link when I have it up.
I log all regular full dose trips in personal (written) drug journals which I've kept since forever and the contents of which are mostly incomprehensible to anybody else, but this would fill too many books and not be interesting much so I'll keep it online.
I'll catch up the last few days later but here we go for today:
05-14-22: General notes: Pretty settled on eating breakfast then dosing within an hour after shower but before brushing teeth.
Dose: 0.3g @ 5:40pm. Gonna have to get a scale that goes to .01 g I expect.
Result: Pretty close to the dose I'm looking for but a little on the high side.
05-15: Not so happy with the short time between eating and dosing, so I'm leaning towards my usual trip protocol, 3 hours after the last meal or more.
Also upping the dose a bit as my definition of "threshold" keeps evolving. I really want to feel them a bit but not so much that I wish I'd gone full dosage (like a sub-dose does).
There may be variability in this grow (see above notes when I write them) so I'm allowing for that, and the fact that the scale only reads in tenths of grams which makes it hard to estimate.
05-16: Dose: 0.4g @ 5:37pm, last ate between 3 and 4 hours back I belive.
My other change is to use my standard mushroom blessing that I've used forever for trips. It can't hurt but I think respect must be paid to these substances anytime they're used in order to get the best results. Going for a walk now.
Result: @7:51pm, hungry as fuck and it went very well.
OTOH considering everything, I'll next try dosing in the morning when I wake up an hour or two before breakfast and see how that goes. 
05-17: Changed my mind about that, just can't bring myself to dose up before breakfast.
Dose: 0.4g @ 4:50pm after a few hours fast.
05-18: Same again basically, really liking this level. Functional yet obvious mushroom manifestations if I look for them.
05-20: Skipped yesterday, I got busy and it just got too late.
Dose: 0.4g @ 5pm. Forgot the blessing before but did it afterwards. That should work.
So far I'm quite impressed with two things - general mood elevation, and the apparent lack of tolerance at these dosages. OTOH it could be that the switchup from 0.3 to 0.4 is compensating for daily tolerance. If that's true I should feel this one a little more strongly.
05-21: Well that was true. 
Dose: 0.4g @ 6:45pm. Effect is as expected thanks to minor tolerance. All in all a good balance, turns me into a motormouth worse than usual though. Obvious effects on color and pattern perception. Seems to aid in inducing brain recruitment to whatever the task-at-hand is.
05-22: 0.3g in the morning and see. Now THAT was nice, didn't affect my appetite for breakfast and woke me up with enhanced creativity and the rest.
05-23: trying 0.5g just to compare, in the morning again. Indeed there seems to be little tolerance build up at these sorts of doses, a nice experience leveling off into enhancement after an hour or so.
05-24: 0.4 g upon getting up. So far so good! Excellent day.
05-25: 0.5 g ? ditto, scale malfunction.  Hang tight...
Holy shit that was amazing, if unexpected. Mushroom spirits singing at me, saying "Welcome back we missed you!" and all that. Not exactly what intended but I'll take it. Really interesting how there appears to be almost no tolerance at these levels...
05-27: 0.5 g for sure on gettng up. Discovered I was passing (or let's say NOT passing) a kidney stone partway through. Highly NOT recommended!
06-01: Update, not taking anymore until this is completed resolved since it sucked big time.
I see it (the forum) lost my last update  So here it is again, sort of:
06-04: Resumed with 0.4 g (double checked scale tare) and was extremely fine result. No evidence of tolerance in or out. 
06-05: Same again 0.4 g just before breakfast. Same as yesterday, again, no evidence of tolerance. Liking this quite well.
06-06: 0.4 g just before breakfast. Hey this is getting boring to write, but it's working SO well. Will keep it up until I run out which will probably be this week sometime.
06-08: Skipped a day for no particular reason. Had 0.4 g on getting up, worked wonderfully well, marvelous day with great conversations, etc.
06-09: Almost out, had 0.5 g on getting up. The increased dose is noticeable, glad I didn't decide to add the remaining 0.3 g to it!
06-11: Calling it a wrap until the next crop comes in... I have a mess of Natalensis tea frozen but I don't wanna mess with it. 
Results so far have been extremely positive. There seems to be a general sort of afterglow that lasts a day or two even in the absence of dosing. Tolerance appears to be nonexistent. Right around 0.4-0.5 g is really the sweet spot, enough to feel, not so much as to wish I'd taken more.
06-15: OK so that didn't last long (the break). Missed the effects enough to decant my Natalensis tea, improperly made (fruits in my sig sat for about a week in the fridge) and stored (in the door of the freezer so have probably gone through 10 defrost cycles since last March) but there it is.
Makes down to a tiny dose, rough equivalent of 0.4 g fresh:
Tastes absolutely like shit - but works surprisingly well! Quite obvious enhancement of music, of visual images, of volubility. Very smooth sort of effect as described over in the awesome Natalensis thread as well.
06-16: Parceled out a few 0.7 g doses into plastic bags (temporary storage idea) and did that much, just to see what the difference is. If I toss back the 0.4 cc of vile tea while holding my breath and then take a juice chaser there's almost no taste, so much better. 
Took just before breakfast. Off to see what the day delivers.'
About 6 hrs later - well that didn't last long. This old tea was just like other old tea I've had - incoherent, feels broken, with distinct lack of focus and clarity. Also got naseous, so down the drain it goes and I go back to waiting for new fruits.
07-04: Happy fourth! Now have new Natalensis fruits dried, so resuming my mini-dosing. A few hours since breakfast and ate 0.6 g of new fruits. Should be interesting!
 
OMG. Actually tripping on these at that dosage. These are really potent, PE type potency. 
Going to wait until Friday and try a proper dose of 2 g if the weather cooperates (want sun). 
That's gonna wait till next week so back to daily minidosing for a while.
07-09: Before breakfast had 0.5 g of the new Nats. Fingers crossed, metaphorically speaking.
Holy shit! Tubular visions and hyperspatial connections before I even got to my breakfast, which became increasingly hard to eat. Awesomeness.
07-10: Repeating yesterday of 0.5g Nats but this time several hours after eating (into the afternoon). Testing the tolerance here.
OMG Nats OMG. Something way powerful there.  More than I can take and still be normal sort of working self, just wanna party.
07-11: Made some tea yesterday from flushes that I let run a bit long to test whether Nats make more actives into the fruits if left to become more mature (i.e. after they stop increasing in size, the point of optimal harvest). Answer is nah they don't so tea was weaker than expected ( 3g thru a complicated calculation I don't want to explain supposedly equivalent to the 0.5g dried dosage. Not really close and the actives don't improve with age on the plant either so I'm going back to what I've always done - harvest the ready ones and store them in the fridge while the rest of a varied flush catches up, then cook them all togther. At least that's what I think happened. 
07-12: So today I've been toking homegrown GDP in the sun and now enough times is gone to try a smaller dose of Nats, regretfully: 0.3g, wanna see if that matches with yesterday, it's my best guess. Gotta calibrate the tea cause there's a lot of it.
Fun times. 
07-14 Wanted to do a full dose (2g) but it got too late so waited a day and ended up with beautiful sunny weather when the forecast was cloudy all day. Gotta love how that works.
I'm quoting now from my trip report in the Natalensis thread:
OK, so holy shit, mother of god, my new favorite mushroom of all time (almost) is...Natalensis!
OMFG what a sweet trip. And the CEVs are out of this world.
I was in bright light mostly through the whole trip except when I had to pee so I don't know much about OEVs, although I did experience some and they were intense. The CEV's I mostly got inside in the dark but they were breathtaking - alien architecture from the future and so much more, stuff I've never seen before with any other mushrooms, just wild shit.
My dosage was from acidified tea made a couple days ago from a couple of second flushes mostly like this:
And carefully calibrated over the course of a few days of mini-dosing to be equivalent to 2 g dried.
That's right, 2 grams and all the doors opened up. Did I mention these are my new favorites?
I let the flushes go longer than usual because they wanted to keep growing long after the veils broke, testing to see if potency would also increase, but the answer was no, gram for gram the older flushes were less potent than the first which I picked earlier, just like everything else is. Not unexpected but I had to try it since the myc itself bruises blue and is active...
The dose worked out to 20 ml of tea, which is an easy swallow by any measure; I don't want the smell to go up my nose so I chase it with apple juice and then throw in a rice cracker to nullify what taste is left.
The trip had far more content than I can - or will - relate but that's how trips are, of course.
So here's to Nats, and the future!
Oh yeah my favorite of all time is still liberty caps. Nothing can beat them IME. But these come very close.
07-15 Yesterday's experience was incredible and the afterglow is wonderful. Gonna continue the mini-dosing though when not macro-dosing as I'm still really curious about how they interrelate. I know that 0.5g daily provides repeat excursions to the edge or just beyond a bit, so around 6pm on an empty stomach I'm trying an 0.5g dose.
My theory seems to be that "tolerance" is observed only for macro-doses above some sort of threshold, and that it increases more or less exponentially just like mushroom effects do - 4 g is 4 time 2 g IME and 50% more than 2 g is 3g which is about twice as strong - you need half again as much to reach the same level on a daily basis, up to the tolerance limit, which for me is about 5x the baseline macro-dose. If I get perceptible effects from 0.5g following a 2g equivalent (as tea) full on dose that'll tell me something. I'll be trying back to back macro-doses soon enough and I expect the usual 50% increase each day to apply. If that works with lower amounts as well than the result from 0.5g should be more like 0.3g was a couple days ago - i.e. barely perceptible.</font></font>
07-15: Hard to follow up on a trip like that...except with another trip like that...next week.
07-16: Well it was actually quite effective yesterday even at what would be expected to be a low dose due to tolerance - nice vibes.
In the meantime today's (Friday's) festivities are now designated as of about 5pm to include 0.5 g of Natalensis - an entire fruit as you can see:
 </font></font>
07-16: That combined with some very potent BB&Cream nugs later in the evening - and vintage star trek - was basically heaven.
Today had early breakfast and quite a few hours later taking 0.4 g of the Nats. These are (obviously) fast becoming my favorites.
07-17: Early enough breakfast and busy afternoon, finally able to do a back-to-back test of absolute potency of tea compared to eating fresh fruits (obviously the gold standard). So just had 7 g fresh Nats from the 3rd flush (pic below - the uniform variety). That should be equivalent to 0.5 g dried since their drying ratio has been 14:1. I can already feel them coming on about 10-15 minutes later.
I'll make tea with "full" extraction from the rest of that flush and then work out the equivalent dose for the same as this for tomorrow, and that should tell me whether the tea loses anything at all.
07-19: Managed to be too busy yesterday to get there but today made tea and converted extracted amount to desired 0.5g dry dose which is 3.75ml of tea (it's about half the weight of the original fruits, so that makes it easy to compare 7 g fresh vs 3.75 g tea. Had that about 10 minutes ago now.
A couple hours later, yes the potency is almost exactly the same. Considerable effects, same as the 17th and consistent with ratio to dried fruits (or fresh) eaten. Fresh fruits taste kind of awful to me, the tea is like nothing by comparison.
Houston we have liftoff. New Primal Soup Extraction tek coming soon, got all the pics lined up finally...
07-20: Second macro-dose (real trip) from Natalensis - 2.5g dried equivalent from 19ml of aforementioned tea.
I was able to complete the task I started in the previous trip, with musical manifestations in abundance. Answered my question "Are Nats gonna be good for this kind of research? (The parallel timeline/multiverse/superposition stuff). Because I'm totally ready to get started on it now. Put most of it in this post.
Awesomely amazingly wonderful stuff indeed. My mind boggles. Not a bad feeling but I'm totally wiped out. 
07-22: Sort of a psychic hangover thanks to what I had to do during the last trip to finish the job I started in the first trip. But it's done, fine, over. And I'm curious if the tolerance lack would hold true also coming FROM a macro dose two days ago. So I'm trying 0.5g Nats at about 4:30 and monitoring my state while I do some cult work...
07-23: Well now that was interesting! Full potency effects from half a gram even two days after a serious trip. I am SO liking this stuff. Very lucid, coherent, expansive, energetic result. So here we go again at around 5:05 with 0.5g Nats.
07-24: 0.5 g Nats at about 7pm. 
07-25: Fabulous stuff. New 4th flush:
Did 0.5 g Nats at about 4:30 on an empty stomach.
07-26: Today was intended to be an escalation of the last Nat trip, but after defrosting the same stored tea bottle and pouring it out I had exactly 2.43g equivalent, not the 3-3.5g that I wanted. So I settled for a direct replication of the last trip - same dosage, same setting, same music, 6 days apart. And it was...interesting. Similar anomalies this time through with the standouts as usual being the next to last track and last track of Hendrix' "Both Sides of the Sky" with, surprisingly, the same result on the 3rd to last track of "Woodstock" - no Jimi guitar this time either, but more like a proper mix this time. Kind of weird if you ask me. Nats may be inherent tricksters like most mushrooms, hard to say yet with the limited experince I've had.
So this time it sounded like a correct song and Wikipedia currently says Hendrix played bass on that track (#11) - but can you really trust Wikipedia in all timelines?
What that of course doesn't explain in the version I heard last week where there was dead air where guitar should have been. And I recall hearing it in the past with fully fleshed out guitar as well. So my simulation is either fucked (always a possibility!) or the gnomes are being mischevious (also a possiblity!).
Excellent trip and no hint of the troublsome entity I dealt with in the previous two trips. A full sort-of trip report is likely due for those two as it encompasses a whole lot of shamanic work and apparently can be freely shared, so some people may find it interesting. I'll link it when I have it written, may take a while.
07-27: OK the ultimate tolerance experience - ate 0.5g Nats at about 4:15, day after a full trip. If tolerance is gonna show for low doses this'll be it... Of course I'm still in the afterglow from yesterday.
At about 7:30 - well no great suprise there, full potency results for the small dose. Cool. 
07-28: Ate 0.5g Nats @ 8:30. Discussed my mini-dosing program (and macro-dosing as well) with my MD yesterday. He's been interested in my mushroom experiences since I first mentioned them...which was when I first saw him. :awesomnod:
07-29: Full on trip with Nats on a 3.5g equivalent dose. Excellent experience but nothing too unusual. I had to start a new bottle of tea and I think this is the one that had the fruits I let go too long in it because qualitatively it wasn't much different than the last two at 2.5g, and actually a little less on point, more disorganized and less clarity than usual. Music was wonderful though. I'm looking to up the dosage to find my sweet spot with Nats and I just made some new tea from optimal fruits so I'll switch to that next week. Should be plenty of new fruits coming from this and another tub just into fruiting, the "aerial wavy" strain, very fast colonizer:
07-31: Skipped a day like usual after a full trip, ate 0.5g Nats at 6pm. All is good.
08-02: I seem to have skipped yesterday too, it was an early "call it a day" day. Today I ate 0.5g Nats at 6pm, looking forward to the effects. 
08-04: Another day skipped but here we go, ate 0.5g at 6:30pm. Going to pick blackberries for jam.
08-08: Wow, several days off for mostly schedule reasons. Smoking weed (BB&Cream) at least in evening depending if no mushrooms. Ate 0.5g Nats at quarter to six. Wanted to have epic trip today but weather didn't cooperate. Tomorrow should be nice.
3 hrs later: Well, THAT was interesting - actually tripped on 0.5g, not expecting to do so. 
08-09: So time for a mega (macro?) dose, namely 4g equiv of fresh proper Nat tea at 2:30. Again, testing boundaries.
My trip log comments: (slightly redacted): "Holy shit! Exc trip, lurid visuals, musical mayhem, 'P**** P***'"
Might explain that last part if it actually works.
This establishs the Nats right up there with the best mushrooms ever, so totally pleased about that. Trip lasted about 3 hrs give or take. Going to try 5-6g next time, should be able to hit the absolute sweet spot. Body load present but tolerable. Visuals were fucking incredible, as was the music.
08-11: Back to 0.5g mini-dose at 6:30 after a snack. Will see how that goes.
08-15: A few days off from dosing, ate 0.5g Nats at about 3pm.
08-18: Seems like my new pattern if I'm not mega-dosing - 2 days off and now ate 0.5g Nats at about 3:15.
08-19: Was very nice, along with some fine weed on a day off. Today, ate 0.5g Nats at 4:30. Tripping is off the table until Monday.
08-20: Nats working very reliably at that dosage. Have some Mayan cubes coming in so I can continue along with the potency stabilization I've talked about elsewhere - these are the G1 off an extra potent stem that I tried, the idea is to print and label caps and dry along with the stems, then after testing on a semidaily basis the most potent fruits can be germinated for G2. And so on. Today ate 0.5g Nats about 7:30 just before dinner, will see how that goes.
08-23 Looks likes I missed a day. It's interesting how the afterglow extends for quite a while even at these relatively small doses. Ate 0.5g Nats at 6:20 without expecting to eat dinner until 8 or 9 when it should taste good. The weird part last time was although I was sorta hungry all the food was broken into it's individual tastes rather that the usual combination. Like, salted blue corn chips tasted like...blue corn... and salt. Not salted blue corn. Not the most appetizing effect and one I intend to stay away from!
--------------------
  
if you stand too close to the machine it'll start to eat youPrimal's simple tested teks and projects: Wheat Prep 2.0 Acidic Tea Tek Potency Project!
Edited by PrimalSoup (08/23/22 07:25 PM)
|
Threaded
Previous
Index
Next
PrimalSoup 
UkaUka 
Edit 
Reply 
looking for any give-away spore prints. 
